From: Woody on
On 26/03/2010 10:01, Geoff Berrow wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:01:47 +0000, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody)
> wrote:
>
>>> PC fans don't change speed.
>>
>> What PC have you got that doesn't control its fan speed? Presumably
>> nothing made in the last 20 years!
>
> It's quite new but it's sitting next to a noisy old box. Are you
> talking about processor fans? I never hear them anyway. Certainly
> never heard any change with the PSU fan.
>
> I /am/ a bit deaf.

Well, unless it is built in a very odd way, any PC you will find that is
recent (where recent is actually quite old and covers most PCs you will
find) varies their processor fan speed, and many update other fans. My
new PC is very quiet, but I can look at the control panel and see that
the processor fan is currently at 2720rpm and the back fan a bit slower.

--
Woody
From: Peter Ceresole on
deano <d.heighington(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

> A colleague suggested that it looked as though some of the animation
> was created by tracing over live captured video and heavily stylised

Rotoscoping? Yes, I thought it looked a bit like that, the hand on the
keyboard and especially the plumber/carpenter bits.

I presume that Rotoscoping is is mouldy potatoes now (after all, it's
what they used to make Bakshi's 'Lord of the Rings' in 1978) and there
must be some nice up to date process that involves desktop computers and
simple cams, but the advert looks like a mixture of straight
architectural walkthrough and interpolated rotoscoping.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Scanner_Darkly_%28film%29#Animation>

Since there's only a few seconds of animation, it looks affordable for
an advert. And although there is some heavy lifting involved in the
computer animation, it ought to be possible using an IntelMac.
--
Peter
From: Peter Ceresole on
Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote:

> >> PC fans don't change speed.
> >
> > They most certainly do. Or, at least, every PC I've used that was made in
> > the last 3 or 4 years can alter fan speeds. I've got a Fujitsu behind me
> > that sounds like a hovercraft at times, then calms down.
>
> They even have settings apart from 0 and max rpm, and I think they're
> generally under the control of most OSes.
>
> Apple tends to allow units to go warmer before increasing fan speed,
> because the box is quieter. Windows tends to increase the fan speed
> earlier to keep the average temperature down, which is why Geoff may
> not be perceiving their change.

I *think* there's a misunderstanding here. It seems to me that Geoff was
saying that his PC fans don't change speed *when he uses Flash*. Which
implies that Flash on PCs is more efficient, or more optimised, than on
the Mac.

But I may be wrong, and I'm sure he'll be along himself to set us
straight as to what he meant.
--
Peter
From: Woody on
On 26/03/2010 10:16, Peter Ceresole wrote:
> Chris Ridd<chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote:
>
>>>> PC fans don't change speed.
>>>
>>> They most certainly do. Or, at least, every PC I've used that was made in
>>> the last 3 or 4 years can alter fan speeds. I've got a Fujitsu behind me
>>> that sounds like a hovercraft at times, then calms down.
>>
>> They even have settings apart from 0 and max rpm, and I think they're
>> generally under the control of most OSes.
>>
>> Apple tends to allow units to go warmer before increasing fan speed,
>> because the box is quieter. Windows tends to increase the fan speed
>> earlier to keep the average temperature down, which is why Geoff may
>> not be perceiving their change.
>
> I *think* there's a misunderstanding here. It seems to me that Geoff was
> saying that his PC fans don't change speed *when he uses Flash*. Which
> implies that Flash on PCs is more efficient, or more optimised, than on
> the Mac.

My fans on my PCs do change speed. I can't hear it on the desktop, but
that is an 8 core machine with 8GB of ram, which most things struggle to
tire, but on the tablets the fans go mad on some flash and you can no
longer hold it comfortably.

The problem is not flash per se, it is badly written flash, which sadly
is not uncommon.


--
Woody
From: Duncan Kennedy on
In message <813gkjFi3iU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Woody
<usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> writes
>On 26/03/2010 10:16, Peter Ceresole wrote:
>> Chris Ridd<chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> PC fans don't change speed.
>>>>
>>>> They most certainly do. Or, at least, every PC I've used that was made in
>>>> the last 3 or 4 years can alter fan speeds. I've got a Fujitsu behind me
>>>> that sounds like a hovercraft at times, then calms down.
>>>
>>> They even have settings apart from 0 and max rpm, and I think they're
>>> generally under the control of most OSes.
>>>
>>> Apple tends to allow units to go warmer before increasing fan speed,
>>> because the box is quieter. Windows tends to increase the fan speed
>>> earlier to keep the average temperature down, which is why Geoff may
>>> not be perceiving their change.
>>
>> I *think* there's a misunderstanding here. It seems to me that Geoff was
>> saying that his PC fans don't change speed *when he uses Flash*. Which
>> implies that Flash on PCs is more efficient, or more optimised, than on
>> the Mac.
>
>My fans on my PCs do change speed. I can't hear it on the desktop, but
>that is an 8 core machine with 8GB of ram, which most things struggle
>to tire, but on the tablets the fans go mad on some flash and you can
>no longer hold it comfortably.
>
>The problem is not flash per se, it is badly written flash, which sadly
>is not uncommon.
>
Now I would agree with that. I generally don't have a problem with
Flash on anything if it is written properly. My original Asus Netbook
(Atom processor / 1 GB RAM) runs most sites happily.

I'm surprised so many Mac users are worried about Flash security! ;-)

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Duncan K
Downtown Dalgety Bay