From: Woody on 26 Mar 2010 05:52 On 26/03/2010 09:30, Pd wrote: > Adrian Tuddenham<adrian(a)poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> Perhaps you can afford to lose a few customers; but if you can't, the >> website needs to work both with and without Flash. > > I still see websites that are utterly broken without Flash, and take > ages to load and full of pointless animation that adds very little to > the overall message if you enable Flash. > > For example,<http://www.acorngardens.co.uk/> is the Flash equivalent of > a MySpace page with<blink> and<marquee> sprinkled liberally > throughout. Utterly devoid of content without Flash, distractingly full > of visual flummery with Flash. Thats not true. There is a text link to the website creator if you look at it with flash off! But yes, that is horrible isn't it. One of the things I hate about an entirely flash website (and I have honestly never found a reason for that), is you can't send a link to an item. this site: <http://www.schecterguitars.com/domestic.asp> again, can't use it without flash (I was sent a link to it which I picked up on my iPhone, which I replied to with 'look at what?' as it was a big grey blank page!), but someone wanted to send me a link to a guitar there, but unlike any other manufacturer, they couldn't, they had to send me a link to the site and a list of instructions how to get to what they were telling me about. > If I was looking for a garden services > company, I'd be hesitant to use a company that has spent that much money > on a website that doesn't actually provide much information, because > their rates would have to be high enough to cover that kind of expense. I may not even know about them as I may have looked on my iPhone, which means I would have seen a grey page with a pink link! I am not against using flash for some things that are very hard to do without it, but if you do a whole page with it you are really missing the point and trimming your market -- Woody
From: Woody on 26 Mar 2010 05:56 On 26/03/2010 09:48, Chris Ridd wrote: > On 2010-03-26 09:30:29 +0000, Pd said: > >> Adrian Tuddenham <adrian(a)poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Perhaps you can afford to lose a few customers; but if you can't, the >>> website needs to work both with and without Flash. >> >> I still see websites that are utterly broken without Flash, and take >> ages to load and full of pointless animation that adds very little to >> the overall message if you enable Flash. > > The Crumpler (laptop/camera bags and so on) site is similarly > Flash-encrusted. To their credit they've created an HTML version of it > as well. I don't have a problem with that - if they want to show off that they can do flash, fine, as long as there is an accessible site too -- Woody
From: Chris Ridd on 26 Mar 2010 06:01 On 2010-03-26 09:56:19 +0000, Woody said: > On 26/03/2010 09:48, Chris Ridd wrote: >> On 2010-03-26 09:30:29 +0000, Pd said: >> >>> Adrian Tuddenham <adrian(a)poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Perhaps you can afford to lose a few customers; but if you can't, the >>>> website needs to work both with and without Flash. >>> >>> I still see websites that are utterly broken without Flash, and take >>> ages to load and full of pointless animation that adds very little to >>> the overall message if you enable Flash. >> >> The Crumpler (laptop/camera bags and so on) site is similarly >> Flash-encrusted. To their credit they've created an HTML version of it >> as well. > > I don't have a problem with that - if they want to show off that they > can do flash, fine, as long as there is an accessible site too It seems like a waste of money to me to produce two versions of the same website. -- Chris
From: Geoff Berrow on 26 Mar 2010 06:01 On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:01:47 +0000, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: >> PC fans don't change speed. > >What PC have you got that doesn't control its fan speed? Presumably >nothing made in the last 20 years! It's quite new but it's sitting next to a noisy old box. Are you talking about processor fans? I never hear them anyway. Certainly never heard any change with the PSU fan. I /am/ a bit deaf. -- Geoff Berrow (Put thecat out to email) It's only Usenet, no one dies. My opinions, not the committee's, mine. Simple RFDs www.4theweb.co.uk/rfdmaker
From: Woody on 26 Mar 2010 06:09
On 26/03/2010 10:01, Chris Ridd wrote: > On 2010-03-26 09:56:19 +0000, Woody said: > >> On 26/03/2010 09:48, Chris Ridd wrote: >>> On 2010-03-26 09:30:29 +0000, Pd said: >>> >>>> Adrian Tuddenham <adrian(a)poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Perhaps you can afford to lose a few customers; but if you can't, the >>>>> website needs to work both with and without Flash. >>>> >>>> I still see websites that are utterly broken without Flash, and take >>>> ages to load and full of pointless animation that adds very little to >>>> the overall message if you enable Flash. >>> >>> The Crumpler (laptop/camera bags and so on) site is similarly >>> Flash-encrusted. To their credit they've created an HTML version of it >>> as well. >> >> I don't have a problem with that - if they want to show off that they >> can do flash, fine, as long as there is an accessible site too > > It seems like a waste of money to me to produce two versions of the same > website. Its their money. Mind you, not always a waste of money doing another version. I was doing a phone accessible version of my shop. Ideally I should be able to do the same by a clever use of CSS, but it turns out it is easier to write a version for the iPhone (or other phone) that works in a different way. -- Woody |