From: Peter Ceresole on
Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote:

> The problem is not flash per se, it is badly written flash, which sadly
> is not uncommon.

I can well believe you.

My main use for Flash is the iPlayer, and on that, even on the iG5, the
increase in fan speed is quite moderate. Would this be because it's
mostly just one stream- and may be well implemented? On the other hand,
the Radio Times site has lots of little bits wiggling away, and the fans
take off.
--
Peter
From: Chris Ridd on
On 2010-03-26 10:09:19 +0000, Woody said:

> On 26/03/2010 10:01, Chris Ridd wrote:
>> It seems like a waste of money to me to produce two versions of the same
>> website.
>
> Its their money.

Yes, but it's *my* money that they want and if I can't use their site
because of the way they did it...

> Mind you, not always a waste of money doing another version. I was
> doing a phone accessible version of my shop. Ideally I should be able
> to do the same by a clever use of CSS, but it turns out it is easier to
> write a version for the iPhone (or other phone) that works in a
> different way.

No doubt, but that will depend entirely on how your site is
constructed. Something generated from some base data can be easily
(heh) transformed into another HTML format.

Maybe their Flash files are all automatically updated by something.
--
Chris

From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:01:56 +0000, Geoff Berrow
<blthecat(a)ckdog.co.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:01:47 +0000, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody)
>wrote:
>
>>> PC fans don't change speed.
>>
>>What PC have you got that doesn't control its fan speed? Presumably
>>nothing made in the last 20 years!
>
>It's quite new but it's sitting next to a noisy old box. Are you
>talking about processor fans? I never hear them anyway. Certainly
>never heard any change with the PSU fan.
>
>I /am/ a bit deaf.

PSU's you tend to have to buy fancy ones (40+ quid) to get quiet ones
that are temperature aware.

PCs have been reasonable about controlling their CPU, GPU and case fan
speeds since 2004 or before, *if* the fans fitted are controllable
(three or four wire) *and* the right motherboard drivers are
installed, *and* the right BIOS options are set.

So it's hardly rare to find boxes that just run their fans at full
speed.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us
as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching
magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
-- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo Inc., 1989
From: Chris Ridd on
On 2010-03-26 10:16:13 +0000, Peter Ceresole said:

> Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote:
>
>>>> PC fans don't change speed.
>>>
>>> They most certainly do. Or, at least, every PC I've used that was made in
>>> the last 3 or 4 years can alter fan speeds. I've got a Fujitsu behind me
>>> that sounds like a hovercraft at times, then calms down.
>>
>> They even have settings apart from 0 and max rpm, and I think they're
>> generally under the control of most OSes.
>>
>> Apple tends to allow units to go warmer before increasing fan speed,
>> because the box is quieter. Windows tends to increase the fan speed
>> earlier to keep the average temperature down, which is why Geoff may
>> not be perceiving their change.
>
> I *think* there's a misunderstanding here. It seems to me that Geoff was
> saying that his PC fans don't change speed *when he uses Flash*. Which
> implies that Flash on PCs is more efficient, or more optimised, than on
> the Mac.

Or his PC's already running his fans fast so they don't need to go faster?

>
> But I may be wrong, and I'm sure he'll be along himself to set us
> straight as to what he meant.

Nod.
--
Chris

From: Woody on
On 26/03/2010 10:41, Peter Ceresole wrote:
> Woody<usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> The problem is not flash per se, it is badly written flash, which sadly
>> is not uncommon.
>
> I can well believe you.
>
> My main use for Flash is the iPlayer, and on that, even on the iG5, the
> increase in fan speed is quite moderate. Would this be because it's
> mostly just one stream- and may be well implemented? On the other hand,
> the Radio Times site has lots of little bits wiggling away, and the fans
> take off.

I doubt there is much code in the iPlayer, it is just streaming a video
from a source, with a little bit of code to check it is the official player.
Most flash has animation, which involves repeated cycles of code and is
more 'flash processing' dependent (there is actually more code in
decoding video, but that is not in action script, that is built in the
code of flash).


--
Woody