From: Peter Ceresole on 26 Mar 2010 06:41 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > The problem is not flash per se, it is badly written flash, which sadly > is not uncommon. I can well believe you. My main use for Flash is the iPlayer, and on that, even on the iG5, the increase in fan speed is quite moderate. Would this be because it's mostly just one stream- and may be well implemented? On the other hand, the Radio Times site has lots of little bits wiggling away, and the fans take off. -- Peter
From: Chris Ridd on 26 Mar 2010 06:44 On 2010-03-26 10:09:19 +0000, Woody said: > On 26/03/2010 10:01, Chris Ridd wrote: >> It seems like a waste of money to me to produce two versions of the same >> website. > > Its their money. Yes, but it's *my* money that they want and if I can't use their site because of the way they did it... > Mind you, not always a waste of money doing another version. I was > doing a phone accessible version of my shop. Ideally I should be able > to do the same by a clever use of CSS, but it turns out it is easier to > write a version for the iPhone (or other phone) that works in a > different way. No doubt, but that will depend entirely on how your site is constructed. Something generated from some base data can be easily (heh) transformed into another HTML format. Maybe their Flash files are all automatically updated by something. -- Chris
From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on 26 Mar 2010 06:44 On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:01:56 +0000, Geoff Berrow <blthecat(a)ckdog.co.uk> wrote: >On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:01:47 +0000, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) >wrote: > >>> PC fans don't change speed. >> >>What PC have you got that doesn't control its fan speed? Presumably >>nothing made in the last 20 years! > >It's quite new but it's sitting next to a noisy old box. Are you >talking about processor fans? I never hear them anyway. Certainly >never heard any change with the PSU fan. > >I /am/ a bit deaf. PSU's you tend to have to buy fancy ones (40+ quid) to get quiet ones that are temperature aware. PCs have been reasonable about controlling their CPU, GPU and case fan speeds since 2004 or before, *if* the fans fitted are controllable (three or four wire) *and* the right motherboard drivers are installed, *and* the right BIOS options are set. So it's hardly rare to find boxes that just run their fans at full speed. Cheers - Jaimie -- "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo Inc., 1989
From: Chris Ridd on 26 Mar 2010 06:46 On 2010-03-26 10:16:13 +0000, Peter Ceresole said: > Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > >>>> PC fans don't change speed. >>> >>> They most certainly do. Or, at least, every PC I've used that was made in >>> the last 3 or 4 years can alter fan speeds. I've got a Fujitsu behind me >>> that sounds like a hovercraft at times, then calms down. >> >> They even have settings apart from 0 and max rpm, and I think they're >> generally under the control of most OSes. >> >> Apple tends to allow units to go warmer before increasing fan speed, >> because the box is quieter. Windows tends to increase the fan speed >> earlier to keep the average temperature down, which is why Geoff may >> not be perceiving their change. > > I *think* there's a misunderstanding here. It seems to me that Geoff was > saying that his PC fans don't change speed *when he uses Flash*. Which > implies that Flash on PCs is more efficient, or more optimised, than on > the Mac. Or his PC's already running his fans fast so they don't need to go faster? > > But I may be wrong, and I'm sure he'll be along himself to set us > straight as to what he meant. Nod. -- Chris
From: Woody on 26 Mar 2010 06:47
On 26/03/2010 10:41, Peter Ceresole wrote: > Woody<usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > >> The problem is not flash per se, it is badly written flash, which sadly >> is not uncommon. > > I can well believe you. > > My main use for Flash is the iPlayer, and on that, even on the iG5, the > increase in fan speed is quite moderate. Would this be because it's > mostly just one stream- and may be well implemented? On the other hand, > the Radio Times site has lots of little bits wiggling away, and the fans > take off. I doubt there is much code in the iPlayer, it is just streaming a video from a source, with a little bit of code to check it is the official player. Most flash has animation, which involves repeated cycles of code and is more 'flash processing' dependent (there is actually more code in decoding video, but that is not in action script, that is built in the code of flash). -- Woody |