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From: Eeyore on 12 Nov 2006 11:25 T Wake wrote: > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message > >>T Wake wrote: > >>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >>>>From what I've heard of the Griffin case it seems to me that he was > >>>>being critical of Islam. > >>> > >>> Which is reasonable enough. > >>> > >>>>Because (a) he wasn't singling out a group by ethnicity as such and (b) > >>>>because > >>>>I'd hate to see some forms of criticism made illegal, I'm very glad he > >>>>got acquitted. > >>> > >>> > >>> I agree. It is a sad day, though, when I find myself hoping a racist > >>> bigot will be let off... > >> > >> Even if it is anti-American bigotry such as you promote > >> in these newsgroups? > > > > Sorry, nice try. Just because you disagree when he points out fact that > > you don't like about the US doesn't make it "bigotry". Learn the > > language. > > > > As normal, Unsettled has no idea what he is talking about and just feels the > need to post something vaguely insulting. I am certainly not "Anti-American" > and there is lots to admire about the nation. Sadly, some bigots feel that > _any_ criticism can be shot down with claims like this. Heck, even I'm not inherently anti-American. I am quite disturbed by the level of violent / aggressive thinking that many of the US posters here exhibit though. Graham
From: T Wake on 12 Nov 2006 11:25 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej76dn$8qk_019(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <17l5h.2385$6t.261(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:ej4fio$8ss_007(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <Wf15h.3585$IR4.3293(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>news:ej234l$8qk_015(a)s995.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>> >>>>> The same thing happened to medical pots of money contributed >>>>> by employees and their employers. The pool of monies got transformed >>>>> to insurance companies. >>>> >>>> >>>>Now you're catching on. Private insurance companies have profit motive. >>>>Government bodies that provide for health care don't. >>> >>> Right. There is no competition and no check on 100% corruption. >>> Most monies will go to patronage, outright stealing and administration >>> costs. None will end up buying the real service. >> >>Gee, that doesn't seem to have happened in Canada and the UK. Perhaps >>you're implying that Americans are less ethical and honest than Brits or >>Canadians? > > People are the same. How do you know similar things are not > happening in the British systems? Ok, after half a century the NHS is not suffering from 100% corruption (in fact, there is no reason to think it is any more corrupt than any other business, state run or not). Most moneys are _not_ going on patronage, stealing and administration costs. Most of the money does end up buying the real service. Your arguments against an NHS are unfounded.
From: T Wake on 12 Nov 2006 11:27 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej78mb$8qk_008(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <4555FDA7.4A5AD572(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> Ben Newsam <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote: >>> >On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:51:47 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>> >>> >>> >>> It is decreasing towards zero as conversion to a few payers >>> >>> increases. What do you think will happen when the few payers >>> >>> become one? >>> >> >>> >>When that one payer doesn't have the profit motive that's currently > driving >>> >>prices? Everybody will have access. Check out the cost (and I'm >>> >>talking >>> >>the total cost to society) and availability of the UK system versus >>> >>ours. >>> > >>> >AFAIAC, the biggest advantage of our (UK) system isn't the quality of >>> >the service, although it is very good at day to day stuff like mending >>> >broken bits and plugging leaks, but the peace of mind that comes from >>> >not having to worry about whether one is covered or not. If you need >>> >to see a doctor, you go and see a doctor, and if you need treatment, >>> >you get it. It's as simple as that. Yes, of course the system is >>> >strapped for cash, and certain treatments and drugs aren't available >>> >on the National Health, but that will always be the case with whatever >>> >system is in place, whether public or private. >>> >>> And how do you find a doctor? >> >>In the phone book ? Or the Internet. >>http://www.city-visitor.com/stalbans/doctors.html >> >> >>> Are you assigned to a doctor >>> who has to OK other specialists' services? >> >>Your GP ( general practicioner ) will refer you to >>a specialist if you need one. >>Once you see the specialist then he/she will >>determine the course of treatment. > > That is the procedure in the US now. >> >> >>> Can you walk into >>> a cardiologist's office and get treated or do you have to >>> be "vetted" through a series of physicians' offices and labs >>> to get to that heart doctor? >> >>Just your GP. > > So you do have to be vetted. You already have limited access. > When, or if, your GP infrastructure goes to pieces, you'll have > no access. Fear mongering gibberish. Do you think that a medical practitioner should not be the person who decides what treatment you get?
From: T Wake on 12 Nov 2006 11:27 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej791g$8qk_011(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <yyt5h.723$yE6.97(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>"Ben Newsam" <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message >>news:fuhcl299ffh7up5pkv6ltisfask6g6dn6m(a)4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:47:22 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"Ben Newsam" <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>news:e96cl2tviek822ftetj8rtphkkoold1oqe(a)4ax.com... >>>>> >>>>> (or if >>>>> immobile, I ask to be visited at home), >>>> >>>>Is this a standard form of care in the UK? We haven't had doctors in >>>>general make house-calls here in the US for at least 40 years. >>> >>> "In general", they don't, but doctors will of course visit those >>> patients who genuinely cannot get to the surgery. I had a doc visit me >>> when I was prostrate with gastro-enteritis and vomiting bile all over >>> (eeeuw). >> >>Eeeuw indeed! >> >> >>> I would imagine they get rather shirty with those who abuse >>> the system. There are other health workers who visit homes too. >> >>That's a good point. When both my dad and my mom's second husband were >>dying, there was a parade of different nurses that came by to bathe them, >>give Mom a break, take blood to make sure their medicines were working >>correctly, and then of course, eventually, hospice care. > > Around here the only care you can hire in is hospice. And that isn't > 7x24. > >> I guess a lot of >>doctor functions have been taken over by nurses and PAs, and they will >>still >>make a housecall for a price. > > I couldn't hire for any price. Yet under the NHS in the UK, my GP regularly makes house calls to his patients. Amazing isn't it.
From: T Wake on 12 Nov 2006 11:28
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej796a$8qk_012(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <c5b06$45565eec$4fe73d4$10122(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>T Wake wrote: >> >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>> news:eNp5h.7027$yl4.5770(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... >>> >>>>"Ben Newsam" <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>news:e96cl2tviek822ftetj8rtphkkoold1oqe(a)4ax.com... >>>> >>>>>(or if >>>>>immobile, I ask to be visited at home), >>>> >>>>Is this a standard form of care in the UK? We haven't had doctors in >>>>general make house-calls here in the US for at least 40 years. >>> >>> >>> Where I live it is very common place, but there is a high percentage of >>> older people in this village. Generally speaking though doctors will >>> make >>> house calls as required - it has been a couple of years since I last >>> needed >>> one, but there was no difficulty. My wife phoned the Health Centre and >>> told >>> the receptionist I was unable to get out of bed, three hours later the >>> doctor was round to treat me. >>> >>> The health centres also have nurse practitioners (extra trained nurses) >>> who >>> spend a lot of time doing home visits. >> >>We have a local physician who makes scheduled house >>calls every Thursday. His office is used by a >>visiting podiatrist that day. >> > > Now note all the times you all wrote "local". That's important. > The US is big. There isn't much "local" anymore. You go > into the city or urban centers and get into their medical > production line. Local doesn't have to mean small. When I lived in the centre of London I had a local GP and a local health centre. |