From: T Wake on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
news:ej7ffd$8qk_042(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...
> In article <455615CC.2B8A045E(a)hotmail.com>,
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Raising the minimum wage is stupid and insane.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Why ?
>>> >>
>>> >> It causes all other prices to eventually go up, especially housing.
>>> >> It eliminates wage competition. People's real productivity is
>>> >> no longer measured nor rewarded with wage.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >I saw it can be a slow as $5 an hour.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Can anyone actually live on that ?
>>> >>
>>> >> $10k/year? Yes.
>>> >
>>> >You wouldn't get far on ?5263 over here for sure.
>>>
>>> I didn't say it was easy and one also has to give up a lot
>>> of middle class "attitudes" ;-).
>>
>>Around here you'd pay ~ ?3000 p.a. minimum just for
>>a very basic rented room !
>
> In the US you can't plan on renting when you stop working. Part
> of way we live is to spend a part of our wages on a place to live
> that will become yours after a few years. That way you can
> eliminate paying rent as part of your living expense.

Your argument has more holes than swiss cheese.

You cant plan on renting anywhere when you stop working. If you are earning
$200 a week, how do you save for a place to live? Where do you live while
you are saving? What do you eat?

> Like I said it is possible but you do have to give up middle class
> attitudes.

Nonsense.

>>
>>Now try living on ?43 p.w. !
>
> After my tuition and dorm fee were paid, I lived on $2/month when
> I went to college; the $2 included clothes washing and Tampax.

I defy you to feed yourself on $2 a week. I defy you to feed yourself,
travel to and from work and afford work clothes on $2 a week.


From: Eeyore on


jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:

> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >Yeah, we all know how corrupt Massachusetts is--why do you imply that that
> >corruption will happen with a nationalized health care system.
>
> Because it already is happening with the Medicare and Medicaid
> system.

In which case if corruption is endemic to the US health care system already why
would an 'NHS' make it any worse than it is ? In fact a re-organisation would
make it easier to put measures in place to reduce it.


> Why should I believe that passing a single-payer law
> will stop all of the cheating?

See above.


> Why should I believe that
> the paid services now denied to my folks will suddenly become available
> with the passage of a single-payer law?

Because it can be done in Europe maybe ?


> In fact, I know there
> will be more services not covered and a lot more cheating
> done with a single-payer system.

Your fears are not based in any reality. You just seem to be afraid of the
'unknown'.

Graham

From: Eeyore on


jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:

> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >unsettled wrote:
> >
> >> I am at a slight loss in the
> >> medicine coverage if I use Canadian pricing as
> >> the basis, but way ahead if I use USA prices.
> >
> >Why are the same medicines more expensive in the USA ?
>
> We pay the development costs.

Not all drugs companies are American by a long long way !

Graham

From: Eeyore on


jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:

> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> My folks,
> >> >> who will not see 80 again, dug a dry well by hand in the
> >> >> summer of 2005.
> >> >
> >> >Dare I ask why ?
> >>
> >> They needed one
> >
> >Was there a problem with their water supply ?
>
> Sorry. I should have explained. If you flush a toilet
> there's the solids and paper and lots and lots of water.
> A septic tank will fill up twice a year if the water
> isn't allowed to leak out. A dry well, which is an empty
> hole in the ground, lined by cement blocks, takes water overflows
> and allows the excess water to seep into the ground. So the
> water is recycled and the septic tank only has to be cleaned
> once every n years depending on the number of people filling it.

Understood.


> >> and nobody in the business made them anymore.
> >> For some strange reason, leach fields are the craze.
> >
> >I'm not familiar with this 'leach fields' thing.
>
> That's another way to get rid of excess water and put
> it back into your water table.
>
> Didn't you ever wonder where your sewer people put all of that
> water that get flushed and put down the drains of your sinks,
> baths, and showers?

Ultimately the River Thames - and then the sea.

Graham

From: Jamie on
Eeyore wrote:

>
> T Wake wrote:
>
>
>><lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>
>>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>T Wake wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>>From what I've heard of the Griffin case it seems to me that he was
>>>>>
>>>>>>being critical of Islam.
>>>>>
>>>>>Which is reasonable enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Because (a) he wasn't singling out a group by ethnicity as such and (b)
>>>>>>because
>>>>>>I'd hate to see some forms of criticism made illegal, I'm very glad he
>>>>>>got acquitted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I agree. It is a sad day, though, when I find myself hoping a racist
>>>>>bigot will be let off...
>>>>
>>>>Even if it is anti-American bigotry such as you promote
>>>>in these newsgroups?
>>>
>>>Sorry, nice try. Just because you disagree when he points out fact that
>>>you don't like about the US doesn't make it "bigotry". Learn the
>>>language.
>>>
>>
>>As normal, Unsettled has no idea what he is talking about and just feels the
>>need to post something vaguely insulting. I am certainly not "Anti-American"
>>and there is lots to admire about the nation. Sadly, some bigots feel that
>>_any_ criticism can be shot down with claims like this.
>
>
> Heck, even I'm not inherently anti-American.
>
> I am quite disturbed by the level of violent / aggressive thinking that many of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
that was the key statement.
you're finally getting a grip on you're self.

> the US posters here exhibit though.
>
> Graham
>
>


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