From: Eeyore on 12 Nov 2006 11:37 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > In article <wnl5h.2390$6t.198(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > >They don't have insurance, and cannot afford to go to a doctor. Pretty > >simple, really. > > > > > >> That is > >> the problem. And it has become exasperated by everything being > >> based on whether you have insurance or not. > > > >I agree--so why not make sure everyone has the effective equivalent of > >insurance...i.e., a nationalized health care system. > > Why not remove the insurance altogther? The NHS *isn't* an insurance funded system ! Graham
From: Michael A. Terrell on 12 Nov 2006 11:37 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > >> Was it frugal to move the plant bricks? I would think they would > >> build their own. I know people moving things like enviromental > >> chambers and such but they aren't moving the physical plants. New fire bricks would be used, because they are quite fragile after years of use. > > > >They were interested in the heavy machinery. > > Was that becuase they didn't have the iron ore to make new > or they didn't have the machinists to make the gear?...or > something else? > > /BAH Because the equipment built in the US was build to last forever. When Armco (AK Steel) built their new plant in Middletown, Ohio in the mid '60s, it was to replace a plant still running the equipment installed in the late 1800s. The new plant was the first computer controlled hot strip in the US, built at a cost of 1.2 Billion in '60s dollars. It routinely produced well above the output the engineers claimed, and ran years longer between relining of the individual soaking pits where the pig iron was heated, to prepare it to be rolled into sheets. Other old industrial equipment is routinely shipped overseas because it is know to work reliably, and it is easy to find or fabricate parts. There was a huge machine shop in Monroe, ohio that made replacement parts for the corrugated box industry, and shipped them worldwide. They had the information on almost any machine ever built for that industry, so all they needed to know was the model, and which part. Heavy industry is one place where smaller, lighter and cheaper just don't cut it. A Japanese company wanted to buy that 1800s steel making equipment but it was scrapped, and reprocessed. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida
From: Eeyore on 12 Nov 2006 11:40 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > > >> What is really happening > >> is that people, who do not have access to a GP, go to the > >> most expensive health care facility for treatment. > > > >Why would they do that ? > > To get drugs to fix their problem. Why does that involve going to an expensive doctor ? > Doctors don't take > new patients who are already sick even if one has > medical insurance. For a long time, the doctors around > wouldn't take new patients who were on Medicare. I don't if > that has changed. You see an 'NHS' would fix that. Graham
From: T Wake on 12 Nov 2006 11:39 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej725c$8ss_002(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <Tel5h.2388$6t.1435(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:ej4gig$8ss_012(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> Why do you think Arabs asked >>> the western world for help? In all other cases, this would have >>> been unthinkable. >> >>No, that the house of Saud is a US puppet is widely acknowledged around >>the >>world. Not unthinkable at all. It just happened to be a slightly neater >>way of getting things done. > > You have a lot of delusions. I'd like to figure out how you got > them. > Oh no, another irony meter bites the dust. Are you asserting here that the Saudi royal family are not widely considered a government which is obedient to the US?
From: Eeyore on 12 Nov 2006 11:42
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message > > >> You are parroting politicians again. What is really happening > >> is that people, who do not have access to a GP, go to the > >> most expensive health care facility for treatment. > >> Now instead of concentrating on how they can't afford the most > >> expensive service, why not concentrate on why they cannot get > >> access to the usual general practioner's services. That is > >> the problem. And it has become exasperated by everything being > >> based on whether you have insurance or not. > > > >You present a strong case for the introduction of a nationalise healthcare > >system, where all have equal access to healthcare resources based on medical > >need. > > There will not be access. That's what I'm trying to get > you to understand. You can have oodles of insurance but, > if you can't get an appt., you might as well use their > forms for toilet paper. So, the insurance based model is broken is it not ? Graham |