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From: jmfbahciv on 3 Oct 2006 05:44 In article <452197A3.17CCE793(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: > >> "T Wake" writes: >> >> >The victory conditions are either nonsensical or nonachievable. Has any "War >> >on Terror" been won? >> > >> The term "War on Terror" is a misnomer. It really should be "The war >> on Islamic extremism". Terror is just a tool. > >Obfuscation noted. > >So, are you saying it's possible to win a 'war on Islamic extremism' ? This mess is about changing a mindset; either Western civilization's mindset is changed or religious extremists' mindset is changed. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 3 Oct 2006 05:50 In article <MeqUg.46$45.147(a)news.uchicago.edu>, mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: >In article <eft89f$20j$1(a)news.al.sw.ericsson.se>, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen" <frithiof.jensen(a)die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> writes: >> >><mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message >>news:4ngUg.37$45.164(a)news.uchicago.edu... >>> In article <g8OdnRoTOcYdo7zYRVnyiw(a)pipex.net>, "T Wake" >><usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> writes: >>> > >>> ><mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message >>> >news:g0%Tg.10$45.93(a)news.uchicago.edu... >>> > >>> >> >>> >> As I said, you're thinking way too small. And, too parochial. The >>> >> belief that other people are just reacting to what we do, not acting >>> >> on their own plans and ideas, is touching, but not anchored in >>> >> reality. It is a pleasant belief, no doubt, since it presents us with >>> >> the illusion of control, with the sense that ultimately all that's >>> >> happening depends only on what we do, thus we just have to find the >>> >> proper mode of behavior and everything will be great. A pleasant >>> >> illusion, but no more than this. >>> >> >>> > >>> >So, if the West's actions have no impact on the behaviour of the "opponent," >>> >how can the war be won? Your post implies that nothing we [tinw] can do will >>> >change their behaviour. >>> > >>> We did change the behavior of Germany and Japan, didn't we? >> >>At the cost of maybe 20% of the German population - which clearly noone is >>willing to pay yet in the middle east; mainly because it would look really bad >>on TeeVee. If one is not going to fight for real and destroy the opponents there >>is really, really no point in sending soldiers. > >Well, so here is the situation. As Clausevitz wrote, war doesn't end >till the spirit of one of the opponents is not broken. Now, the >breaking point will depend on the specific nation as well as on the >circumstances of the specific war, but based on ample historical data >it is somewhere in the vicinity of 10% of the population (give or take >factor two for the specific circumstances). But, since we're living >in kinder and gentler times", we prefer to ignore the empirical >record, and hope, against hope, that somehow, by some miracle, same >result can be obtained much cheaper. Now, miracles can be very nice >when they happen, but putting trust in them is not very wise. So, >yes, I agree with you, absent the readiness to fight for real we're >just biding our time. Clarification, please? A mindset change of a people only needs 10% of them to change? This doesn't make sense,...unless..... it's the intelligensia that has to do the changing. Another question, if the answer is yes to the 10% of the population, is there a particular sector of workers that have to do the changing? <snip> /BAH
From: JoeBloe on 3 Oct 2006 07:59 On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:17:53 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> Gave us: >US aid is frequently accompanied by compulsory 'trade concessions' that favour the >USA. Funny, I don't recall us ever asking Russia for anything for the millions of tons of wheat we have sent them over the last several decades. There are many more examples. You're still a liar and a troll, and no claimed "truth" you ever mumble "hurts" me in any way.
From: JoeBloe on 3 Oct 2006 08:02 On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:17:53 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> Gave us: > Your Northern neighbour Canada >gets 6th btw. Funny. I'd bet that we export more thousands of tons of wheat a year than they do too.
From: JoeBloe on 3 Oct 2006 08:10
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:17:53 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> Gave us: > but the *SMALLEST* among developed countries as a >percentage of its GDP Whoopie fuckin doo. That proves that we are a prosperous nation and we still beat everyone else on the tab. That is what being a free nation is all about, idiot. We can have a great life, give away a small bit of it, and still beat everyone else on the whole. This even despite this new globalization of the economies knocking us back quite a bit. You think we aren't helping. You have been reading the wrong web pages again, boy. We ARE the help. Life is grand, and when WE finally do reduce the numbers of underfed nations in the world yet again, I'll think of you and laugh... again. You pathetic, cringing little milksop. |