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From: Homer J Simpson on 2 Oct 2006 23:26 <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:y3kUg.19044$Ij.9984(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > Sadly, not long enough, but we have made strides. As those who grew up, > for example, when it was tacitly OK to blow up a church, die off, > gradually this type of behavior becomes less and less acceptable. It will > be a *long* road, however, since there are so many other, more endemic, > ways in which racism expresses itself. Attitudes change slowly, it's > human nature. And yet .... Three Girls Killed in Pennsylvania School Shooting A gunman has shot and killed three girls in a small Amish school in the eastern U.S. state of Pennsylvania. Police say seven other people were injured Monday morning, some seriously, before the gunman took his own life. A police official described the crime scene as "horrendous." He said the gunman walked into the school, sent the boys and some females outside, then tied up and shot the girls.
From: Homer J Simpson on 2 Oct 2006 23:26 "John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message news:r0k3i2515kq9t03o9l9bqe9mdberpp4jlj(a)4ax.com... >>The US believes that US law applies everywhere in the world, but US >>constitutional rights don't apply to anyone who isn't the 'right sort of >>person'. > Preposterous. But still true.
From: John Fields on 2 Oct 2006 23:56 On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:38:14 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message >news:4193i25jnfriiu1rskbtn7rdpdk6c38c8m(a)4ax.com... >> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:04:16 +0100, Eeyore >> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> And you claim to be human. >> >> Which is the bigger stretch? >> >> John Fields >> Professional Circuit Designer > >Given your repeatedly hurling insults at people, I think a far bigger >stretch is you applying the adjective "Professional" to yourself. I've not >seen such unprofessional behavior from somebody who goes out of their way to >label themselves a "professional" in a long time. There's a big difference >between having a healthy disagreement that leads to mature discussion and >deeper understanding, and name-calling. --- The "professional" thing refers to what I do for a living. I'm a circuit designer, I get paid for it (except around here, where everything I do is pro bono :-) and I advertise here, but just a little, with my .sig and a real email address and link. As for the rest of it, it's USENET, so as far as I'm concerned it's pretty much a donnybrook where anything goes and there are no rules. Probably the last place on Earth where that's true and you can call a spade a spade without having to confront an armada of lawyers. I'm writing from sci.electronics.design, where we have a lot of world-class talent, so we attract a lot of world-class egos who fancy themselves to be fast-draw McGraw. Our job is to shoot them down before they convince themselves that they're 'Q' and really hurt themselves or someone else, so the insults are designed to cut through the bullshit and give them a glimpse of the real world. Or, maybe, _this_ world. In any case, no one wants to let go of their firmly held beliefs, no matter how stupid (just threw that in for shock value) they may be, so here we are. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
From: mmeron on 3 Oct 2006 00:04 In article <efsj98$e0d$3(a)blue.rahul.net>, kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) writes: >In article <kefUg.29$45.67(a)news.uchicago.edu>, > <mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote: >>In article <efr7vg$sb7$2(a)blue.rahul.net>, kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken >>Smith) writes: >>>In article <2p1Ug.16$45.152(a)news.uchicago.edu>, >>> <mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote: >>>[....] >>>>Well, here is at least one thing you can say for Al Queda. They are >>>>quite honest, no pretending. >>> >>> >>>Maybe, they are just more effective liars. If you haven't caught them in >>>a lie, it doesn't mean there weren't lies they got away with. >>> >>Oh, I'm sure there were some, but these are what is called "tactical >>lies". With regard to principal matters, i.e. their goals, they're >>quite forthcoming. > >... or perhaps they have just gotten away with the big lies. :> > Time will tell, if nothing else. > >[...] >>> They can get lots of cannonfodder from the Muslim world >>>may be the reason they try to appear Islamist. It may really be about >>>power and control. >> >>One doesn't contradict the other one. People may be driven by the >>desire for power and control *and* to really, truly believe in what >>they're doing (to the point of willing to die for it), at the same time. > >Actually it is often a closely coupled set of ideas. People who are >certain that their way is the only right way often think it is a cruel >trick of fait when they lack the power to implement their ideas. And, the very belief that their way is the only right way fosters a desire to seize power and control, so as to be able to implement "this which is right". > They are >also often very surprised at the results when and if they do get power. > Yes, for sure. >If the King of country A sees the King of country B as universally evil he >may invade on the theory of doing good or the people of country B. >Unfortunately for him, the people of country B may see the King of country >A as the evil one and fight back. > >[...] >>reckoning came, many of them preferred to kill themselves rather than >>live in a world where their ideals have been defeated. Goebbels and >>his wife poisoned themselves and all their kids as well. If that's >>not an act of a true believer, I don't know what is. > >We may not really know their motives. They may have thought that they >would get about the same treatment as they had applied to the Jews. This >for many would be a reason to take the easy way out. > We never really know for sure anybody's motives, can only formulate best guesses consistent with the available evidence. Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, meron(a)cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
From: lucasea on 3 Oct 2006 00:10
"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:d5l3i2trj8i6k1l80sr6151mtncu6efrqv(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:38:14 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >>"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message >>news:4193i25jnfriiu1rskbtn7rdpdk6c38c8m(a)4ax.com... >>> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:04:16 +0100, Eeyore >>> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> And you claim to be human. >>> >>> Which is the bigger stretch? >>> >>> John Fields >>> Professional Circuit Designer >> >>Given your repeatedly hurling insults at people, I think a far bigger >>stretch is you applying the adjective "Professional" to yourself. I've >>not >>seen such unprofessional behavior from somebody who goes out of their way >>to >>label themselves a "professional" in a long time. There's a big >>difference >>between having a healthy disagreement that leads to mature discussion and >>deeper understanding, and name-calling. > > --- > The "professional" thing refers to what I do for a living. I'm a > circuit designer, I get paid for it (except around here, where > everything I do is pro bono :-) and I advertise here, but just a > little, with my .sig and a real email address and link. > > As for the rest of it, it's USENET, so as far as I'm concerned it's > pretty much a donnybrook where anything goes and there are no rules. > Probably the last place on Earth where that's true and you can call > a spade a spade without having to confront an armada of lawyers. > > I'm writing from sci.electronics.design, where we have a lot of > world-class talent, so we attract a lot of world-class egos who > fancy themselves to be fast-draw McGraw. > > Our job is to shoot them down before they convince themselves that > they're 'Q' and really hurt themselves or someone else, so the > insults are designed to cut through the bullshit and give them a > glimpse of the real world. Or, maybe, _this_ world. > > In any case, no one wants to let go of their firmly held beliefs, no > matter how stupid (just threw that in for shock value) they may be, > so here we are. > > John Fields > Professional Circuit Designer Please do remember that it's possible to do all that and still *act* civil, i.e., like a professional. Eric Lucas |