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From: mmeron on 3 Oct 2006 00:11 In article <2kj3i2du8jqbhpcei9mh1469dmncvt7bck(a)4ax.com>, John Fields <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> writes: >On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:05:51 GMT, mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: > >>In article <v673i2dusng3t5a82qt9hm7n8ve5p4t7ua(a)4ax.com>, John Fields <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> writes: >>>On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:59:42 +0100, "T Wake" >>><usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message >>>>news:3kh2i2p1qoa888afm2l1ksq3j2qcvcfvrl(a)4ax.com... >>>>> --- >>>>> So what? With world domonation as its goal, one would expect it >>>>> would strike world-wide, as the opportunity arose. >>>> >>>> >>>>Whose goal? "It" isn't really appropriate to define the long term aims of a >>>>disparate group of organisations. Are "they" trying to dominate the world or >>>>destroy western society or convert every one or... >>> >>>--- >>>"It" being radical Islam, the goal, in my opinion, would be to >>>convert everyone to Islam and have them be subject to control by >>>Muslim jurists, the goal being total world domination by Islam. >>> >>>Refusal to convert would result in death. >>> >>No, not quite. True about the part of world domination, not about the >>other one. Islam recognizes two categories of non-believers. One is >>"polytheists" for whom, indeed, the accepted options are conversion or >>death. The other is "Um al_Kitab", meaning "Nations of the Book", >>which includes Christians and Jews. These may be allowed to live >>without converting but only as "dhimmi" (you may check on this term). >>Meaning, second class subjects, possessing the (limited) rights >>granted them by their Muslim rulers, with the stipulation that said >>rights may be withdrawn at the whim of the rulers. > >--- >How pleasant to read a scholar! Thank you. > >Two small comments, if I may; the first being that I believe "Um >al_Kitab" means "People of the Book", and the second being that I >don't believe _radical_ Islam would have any qualms about >dispatching non-converts whether they were people of the book or >not. > >What do you think? > Yes, I agree. "People" is really the more appropriate translation of "Um". In fact I think that Islam doesn't even really recognize the concept of "nation". As for the second, again, yes. There is no stipulation, to my knowledge, that "Um al-Kitab" must be allowed to live (without converting), only that they may be allowed to live (with the decision left to those in power). Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, meron(a)cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
From: lucasea on 3 Oct 2006 00:12 "Homer J Simpson" <nobody(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message news:wLkUg.45507$bf5.39513(a)edtnps90... > > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:y3kUg.19044$Ij.9984(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > >> Sadly, not long enough, but we have made strides. As those who grew up, >> for example, when it was tacitly OK to blow up a church, die off, >> gradually this type of behavior becomes less and less acceptable. It >> will be a *long* road, however, since there are so many other, more >> endemic, ways in which racism expresses itself. Attitudes change slowly, >> it's human nature. > > And yet .... > > Three Girls Killed in Pennsylvania School Shooting > > A gunman has shot and killed three girls in a small Amish school in the > eastern U.S. state of Pennsylvania. > > Police say seven other people were injured Monday morning, some seriously, > before the gunman took his own life. A police official described the crime > scene as "horrendous." He said the gunman walked into the school, sent the > boys and some females outside, then tied up and shot the girls. And this has exactly what to do with a conversation on racism? It's not even religion-ism--it was someone extracting revenge on a community for a 20-year-old wrong. Please get the facts before you spout off. Eric Lucas
From: John Fields on 3 Oct 2006 00:40 On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:54:10 GMT, "Homer J Simpson" <nobody(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > >"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message >news:o1a3i217rkdlk75f5c4qshb3d3te49m1cd(a)4ax.com... > >>>And yet the Israelis get what they need done in a far more competent >>>manner >>>with only a few errors. > >> What does that have to do with clandestine work to which you're not >> privy? > >What do you have to do with intelligent discussion? > Merely participate. And you? -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
From: John Fields on 3 Oct 2006 00:44 On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:58:29 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Gordon wrote: >> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:47:08 +0100, Eeyore >> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> John Fields wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:59:42 +0100, "T Wake" wrote: >>>>> "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message >>>>>> So what? With world domonation as its goal, one would expect it >>>>>> would strike world-wide, as the opportunity arose. >>>>> >>>>> Whose goal? "It" isn't really appropriate to define the long term aims of a >>>>> disparate group of organisations. Are "they" trying to dominate the world or >>>>> destroy western society or convert every one or... >>>> --- >>>> "It" being radical Islam, the goal, in my opinion, would be to >>>> convert everyone to Islam and have them be subject to control by >>>> Muslim jurists, the goal being total world domination by Islam. >>>> >>>> Refusal to convert would result in death. >>> Do you often conjure up such idiotic ideas out of thin air ? >>> >>> Graham >>> >> Graham, what John said is straight out of their Koran. Repeated >> in many Surah, Ayah passages. For example; >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Surah 47, Ayah 4 When ye encounter the infidels, strike of their >> heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the >> rest make fast the fetters. >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> For the record, an infidel is anyone who is not a recognized >> Muslim in good standing. A Muslim who turns away from the Muslim >> religion is an infidel. Any person who belongs to and >> acknowledges belonging to any other religion is an infidel. >> >> Gordon > >Then how do you account for Iran having the second highest Jewish >population in the ME? According to your theory they should all be >Muslims or dead by now. --- They are "People of the Book" and deserve respect. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
From: Homer J Simpson on 3 Oct 2006 00:53
<lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:UqlUg.19060$Ij.1578(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > And this has exactly what to do with a conversation on racism? It's not > even religion-ism--it was someone extracting revenge on a community for a > 20-year-old wrong. Please get the facts before you spout off. Facts you are unaware of? Other national: "I feel bad so I'll talk to my friends" American: "I feel bad so I'll murder some innocent people" |