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From: Eeyore on 3 Oct 2006 10:30 lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:452198F0.A71D16AC(a)hotmail.com... > > > > > > John Fields wrote: > > > >> You miss no opportunity to lambaste the US, its population, its > >> government, its institutions, and you hate its very existence, so > >> what do you expect me to think, that you're a benevolent soul trying > >> to help with constructive criticism? > > > > I thought it was fine under Clinton ! > > Yes, but you see, if he denigrates your point of view by labelling you as > someone that could never say anything good about the US, then he doesn't > have to take your point of view seriously and try to understand that perhaps > it might even be a valid point of view, that an intelligent person may be > capable of coming to through independent thought. It's the same thing the > Bush administration does by labelling everyone that disagrees with it a > "traitor" (under the *extremely* liberal interpretations that disagreeing > with your government is tantamount to aiding the enemy.) What they seem to > fail to understand is that the Constitution gives every US citizen is given > the *responsibility* to question its government *every single* day of their > lives. It really is sad that the Bush administration has seen fit to > legitimize this sort of anti-American behavior. I saw Keith Olberman's broadcast on this issue. I find it truly fantastic that the US Gov't has become such a cesspool of fuckwits and that so may of the US population are keen to lap it up. Graham
From: Eeyore on 3 Oct 2006 10:30 Gordon wrote: > On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:47:08 +0100, Eeyore wrote: > >John Fields wrote: > >> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:59:42 +0100, "T Wake" wrote: > >> >"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message > >> >> > >> >> So what? With world domonation as its goal, one would expect it > >> >> would strike world-wide, as the opportunity arose. > >> > > >> > > >> >Whose goal? "It" isn't really appropriate to define the long term aims of a > >> >disparate group of organisations. Are "they" trying to dominate the world or > >> >destroy western society or convert every one or... > >> > >> --- > >> "It" being radical Islam, the goal, in my opinion, would be to > >> convert everyone to Islam and have them be subject to control by > >> Muslim jurists, the goal being total world domination by Islam. > >> > >> Refusal to convert would result in death. > > > >Do you often conjure up such idiotic ideas out of thin air ? > > > >Graham > > > Graham, what John said is straight out of their Koran. Repeated > in many Surah, Ayah passages. For example; > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Surah 47, Ayah 4 When ye encounter the infidels, strike of their > heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the > rest make fast the fetters. The Bible says contradictory things too. Your point ? Graham
From: Eeyore on 3 Oct 2006 10:33 John Fields wrote: > On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:46:18 +0100, Eeyore wrote: > >"Michael A. Terrell" wrote: > >> T Wake wrote: > >> > > >> > Or "If we give you this money will you promise to use it to buy weapons and > >> > fight [Insert Disliked Government of the Day] and promise never to fight > >> > us - unless you really have to?" > >> > > >> > Can you [or anyone] remind me why the Irish Republican terrorist > >> > organisations received so much in the way of donations from concerned, > >> > caring, American private citizens? I've never been all that sure myself. > >> > >> I get of hearing this. They collected money in areas with high Irish > >> American population, and the average American heard nothing about it, > >> till the "TV news Expos?". If the average American had know about it > >> and had agreed with it, there would have been more than enough money > >> flowing into their coffers for them to have won. The ones who did > >> donate were people who came to the US to get away from the British, and > >> wanted to help those left behind, right or wrong. > > > >So you're happy to admit to a desire to sponsor terrorism ? > > --- > What's that all about? > > All he wrote, it seemed to me, was a narrative. It was a clear acceptance that sponsoring terrorism may be acceptable. " If the average American........had agreed with it, there would have been more than enough money flowing into their coffers [the IRA] ". Graham
From: Eeyore on 3 Oct 2006 10:35 John Fields wrote: > On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:52:45 +0100, Eeyore wrote: > >John Fields wrote: > >> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:05:11 +0100, Eeyore wrote: > >> >John Larkin wrote: > >> > > >> >> Graham has a pathological and mostly irrational hatred of America, > >> > > >> >Not at all. I am however intruiged how Americancs invariably bring out the hate word the very second >even the tiniest > >> criticism is voiced against them. > >> > > >> >It's not hate at all, more like despair at the crass stupidity of your governmemnt and the ppl who >elected them. > >> > > >> >> and makes up things to support that need. > >> > > >> >Simply no need ever to do that ! > >> > > >> >> So naturally he doesn't like to > >> >> be reminded about stuff like WWII or the Cold War. He believes that > >> >> the UK and Russia defeated Germany with little need for US assistance. > >> > > >> >The USA was around 3 years late to the party of course. I have little doubt that Russia would have >eventually defeated > >> Germany anyway. Germany could certainly never ever have defeated Russia, the >numbers simply aren't even > >> remotelycredible. > >> > >> --- > >> That's all Monday morning quarterbacking but, if as you say, had > >> Russia defeated Germany without the US being involved do you think > >> that you'd still be speaking English as a first language? > > > >Probably. Once Germany knew it was losing it's quite likely that's they'd have abondoned the war with Britain and asked for > >our help. History's quite clear on this point. > > --- > And if you'd have helped them, Russia would have wiped you both out > because of Germany's double-crossing Russia and you'd be speaking > Russian right now, if anything. > > If you'd elected not to help them, then Russia would have wiped them > out and who's to say Stalin wouldn't have had his eye on a weak > little island incapable of defending itself at that point? And for > that matter, all of Europe. In which case, if he had his way with > you, you'd be speaking Russian right now. In public, anyway. No way. If Britain and Germany had allied, the rest of Europe would have joined us too ( except the Swedes and Swiss probably ) Graham
From: Jim Thompson on 3 Oct 2006 10:39
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:01:19 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:55:57 +0100, Eeyore ><rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>John Larkin wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:13:41 +0100, Eeyore wrote: >>> >mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: >>> >> In article <4520C734.BF44F5D0(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes: >>> >> >>> >> >There is no such thing as a coherent 'Islamic terrorist' movement, much as the USA would like to have >you >>> >> believe it. Much Islamic terrorism isn't even targeted at the West. >>> >> >>> >> There wasn't such thing as a coherent "Axis" in 1939-40. There were >>> >> three separate nations, pursuing separate goals, often in >>> >> non-coordinated fashion, at times even in a way which was detrimental >>> >> to the other Axis members goals. >>> > >>> >Your fixation with the history of WW2 is idiotic. >>> >>> Is ignorance better? >> >>It simply has zero relevance to the issue at hand. Mind you, just to put your fevered American minds at rest, >>should European Islam be stupid enough to get 'nasty' expect another 'Kristallnacht' with Muslims being >>progromised. >> > >I bet you're looking forward to that, boxcars and death camps. Does >"get nasty" include acquiring political power? > >John "progromised" ?? Eeyore is such an idiot ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |