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From: jmfbahciv on 2 Nov 2006 07:08 In article <454950DC.183D2E91(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: >> >> >Our GDP is about the same as Europe's, which uses a lot less energy. >> >> Does GDP measure services, especially the intellectual kind? >> Does GDP include all production that is used by the rest >> of the world? > >If you consider all goods, services etc to be fungible ( which they seem to be ) >then GDP must indeed include these things. I don't see how you can include a measurement of a piece of knowledge that is used in another country which is profitable for that country. Whose GDP includes that part of production? Comparing GDPs to determine who "wastes" energy is not reasonable. A lot of energy has to be expended before the good ideas and knowledge are sifted out. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 2 Nov 2006 07:13 In article <454966CA.AC8D033F(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >unsettled wrote: > >> Eeyore wrote: >> > unsettled wrote: >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>>In article <4546F871.E7AD0EB5(a)hotmail.com>, >> >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>unsettled wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>>Also compare the availability of goods and services in Europe >> >>>>>and other places in the world to ours. >> >>>> >> >>>>What !!!! >> >>>> >> >>>>Are you being funny ? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>No, he's not. There are a lot of Europeans who come to the US >> >>>to shop. >> >> >> >>There have been many flights bringing Europeans to shop at >> >>the Mall of America in Minnesota. >> > >> > >> > Cite ? >> >> Stuff it, fool. I've been there and talked with some of >> the people. I've also shopped at Gurnee Mills which is >> a one story affair with a mile long zig-zag mall under >> roof. I first ran into them there, later at Mall of >> America. > >I googled and found some 'shopping trips' involving a 3 day stay but none with >same day return. > > >> Mall of America is so large, for your information, that >> there's an amusement park in the center, including a >> roller coaster. It set itself up to be an international >> destination. You don't suppose that a setup like that >> could be supported solely by sales to the Twin Cities >> and Minnesota folks within an easy drive, do you? >> >> >>Straight in, shop all day, >> >>get back on the plane the same day and go back. >> >> > Sounds awful ! >> >> They like it all right. Several said they come twice >> a year. They manage to get some sleep on the plane. > >The last thing I'd fancy after a long flight is shopping ! I observed this behaviour when we went to China. Our tour groups were upper middle class people. We arrived at the Great Wall and the shopaholics turned left to go into the store while we turned right to go on the Great Wall and walk a little bit of it. These people never saw the Great Wall. They went half-way around the world and didn't even bother to look at a remarkable feat of the human species. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 2 Nov 2006 07:18 In article <6b540$4548e363$4fe7703$17646(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> In article <e6fd$4547955c$49ecf26$7971(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >> >>>Lloyd Parker wrote: >>> >>>>In article <ee2c$454690aa$4fe716b$704(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Lloyd Parker wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>In article <ei4s7g$8qk_001(a)s787.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >>>>>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>In article <1162139745.736188.86580(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>"MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In article <1161875197.735056.288140(a)m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>> "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>><snip delusional expectations that Democrats never fulfilled> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The latest edict is forcing everybody to have >>>>>>>>>medical insurance; if you don't the rumor is that income >>>>>>>>>tax penalties will be imposed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The state pays for hospitals etc for those who can't pay. They don't >>>>>>>>want those who can't pay dieing in the streets so they have to fund >>>>>>>>their medical needs. There are some people who can afford to pay for >>>>>>>>their own health care who choose to spunge off the system. To >>>>>>>>discourage this, they are making those who can affort to have >>>>>>>>insurance, but refuse to get it, pay a little extra towards the care of >>>>>>>>those who can't afford it. It is a completely rational thing to do if >>>>>>>>you have the state paying for those who can't. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If you don't do this you must either cut off the medical care to the >>>>>>>>poor or spread the cost of it evenly between the responsible and >>>>>>>>irresponsible. Neither of these options is better than the one taken. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Massachusetts implemented this with car insurance. It is a mess >>>>>>>and people are trying to get rid of it. The fact that the Democrats >>>>>>>have implemented a similar structure for medical insurance (this >>>>>>>is NOT medical care) bodes ill for all, especially those who >>>>>>>cannot pay. The new thing that these idiots have implemented is >>>>>>>tying the payments to income taxes. They did this with sales >>>>>>>tax and nobody, absolutely nobody, has complained. Think about >>>>>>>a sales tax which is tied to your income level. I suspect, since >>>>>>>nobody bitched, these Democrats have done the same thing with >>>>>>>medical insurance. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Europe uses a centralized payment for medical care, as do Canada and >> >> Japan. >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>They cover everybody and spend less. >>>>> >>>>>How long a wait is there for a hip replacement? >>>>> >>>>>How long here in the US? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Depends. Do you have insurance? What does it cover? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Canadians regularly come to the US and pay for surgery >>>>>100% out of pocket because the waiting period is too >>>>>long. Perhaps not in huge numbers, but enough to be >>>>>noticeable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>No they don't. >>> >>>Excuse me, I'm not talking through my hat on this one. >>> >>> >>>>Most Canadians, in survey after survey, are satisfied with >>>>their health insurance. >>> >>>Take note of the word "most." That's not 100%. >> >> >> Notice that he also said insurance, not treatment. >> >> >>>Among >>>those others who are not satisfied are some who >>>regularly come to the US for medical procedures. >> >> >> The ones I know about were people who had cancer. > >The most recent one I met was a 70 year old farmer >who needed a hip replacement. They scheduled him >18 months later. He said heck no, that's 2 harvests >h'd have to hire people for, and at his age 18 months >with the poor quality of life, hobbling around in pain, >was unacceptable. So he came to the US. > >3/4 of the cost (100% out of pocket) was covered by >not having to hire people for 2 harvests. He thought >overall it was a very good deal. Right. And he avoided the side effects which would cause more structural damage that may not be repairable. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 2 Nov 2006 07:22 In article <691d6$4548e447$4fe7703$17646(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> In article <8594c$45468e46$4fe716b$704(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>>In article <Lga1h.2227$s6.11(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, >>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:cb1d3$45452d8a$4fe72af$23817(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>snip >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Nothing about annihilation of western civilization is amusing. >>>>>>>This is serious business and it will take another three massive >>>>>>>killings before the insane politicians are thrown out and >>>>>>>ones who are willing to deal with problem constructively are >>>>>>>put back in power. >>>>>> >>>>>>Those who persist in denying the announced and obvious >>>>>>end up driving the defensive system towards an eventual >>>>>>dictatorial authority. >>>>>> >>>>>>Hitler's Mein Kampf was not a secret. The agenda was >>>>>>mapped out in advance. Militant Islam has been advocating >>>>>>against the west for decades. Despite the protestations >>>>>>of some, it is a religion spread by violence and has been >>>>> >>>>>>from the day that Mohammed decided he was heading up a >>>>> >>>>>>new religion. >>>>>> >>>>>>If we look at British conduct in the face of Hitler's >>>>>>growing menace, we see the same sorts of appeasement >>>>>>as is being promoted in these related threads. In the >>>>>>case of Britain, they eventually put Churchill in >>>>>>charge. He was one of those "last choice" sorts of >>>>>>men that the appeasers disdained. They historically >>>>>>worked hard to derail him but there came a moment >>>>>>of truth when they were finally unable to deny the >>>>>>realities facing them any longer, and needed a >>>>>>strong man to drive them towards victory. By that >>>>>>time they were in trouble, so America was pulled >>>>>>into the fray, with its own dictator style president >>>>>>at the helm replaced eventually (after death) by a >>>>>>sleeper sort of a strong man who didn't hesitate to >>>>>>use the atomic bomb to end the Pacific war. >>>>>> >>>>>>How many today would have the nerve to actually use a >>>>>>nuclear weapon? Certainly none of the appeasers here >>>>>>want that to happen, but by their actions they're >>>>>>driving the system towards the point where other >>>>>>options will cease to exist. >>>>>> >>>>>>Unfortunately, with the sorts of "good human beings" >>>>>>we're encountering in this newsgroup, we'll probably >>>>>>evenually get to the point where we'll have to use >>>>>>our own final solution to the problem by using nukes. >>>>>> >>>>>>History has taught us that it is a much smaller mess >>>>>>if you take care of business and protect yourself >>>>>>early in the game, rather than late. Keep on ignoring >>>>>>all of history folks. I'll be investing in uranium >>>>>>futures. >>>>> >>>>>BAH--this is a new low for you. Self-congratulation and attacking other >>>>>posters by using another screen name. >>>> >>>> >>>>Huh? I can't write that well. You will assume any posture just >>>>to avoid the facts of what is really going on. I don't know >>>>how to deal with this kind of insanity. >>> >>>By making this sort of accuation he's avoiding >>>the issues. He didn't have a single point to >>>make about the content of the post. And if >>>one considers the content of his posting, it >>>actually has nothing at all to do with what's >>>above. >>> >>>If anyone deserves to be ignored, he does. >> >> >> That's not a viable choice. When the US gets its Democrat for >> President, s/he/it will think, talk and act like Eric portrays >> in this discussion. That's the only reason I've stayed here so >> long. > >You mean like Kerry and his latest debacle? Exactly. I knew he didn't like to work. What was really weird is that the speech was so familiar; he'ld given a similar sentiment when he was running for an office in 1972. At least the news here reported that one. He's using his anti-Nam speeches. The Democrats are turning this election year into another Nam political tactic; so now I'm concentrating on reading about that era. /BAH /BAH
From: Eeyore on 2 Nov 2006 07:28
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: > >> > >> >Europe uses a centralized payment for medical care, as do Canada and > >> >Japan. They cover everybody and spend less. > >> > >> And deliver less service over a longer period of time. This > >> is not the way medicine works to be effective. Mess prevention > >> is a key element in treating disease. The only timely treatment > >> these systems are good at is treating people who are well. > > > >Really ? I got an appointment @ 08:20 with a GP ( your MD ) for 10:50 and I > >would have gone direct to the Path Lab for a blood test ( ~ 300 yds away ) > > hadit not been a Tuesday when it opens @ 12:30. I went direct to a > Pharmacist > >and had taken my first dose of medication by 12:00 and it's feeling better > > already. > > > >Not good enough ? > > That sounds like an infection and is usually a short-term treatment. Actually it's not but I fail to see how that makes things any different ! > I'm thinking about stuff that is longer. For instance, if you > need an elective surgery done to fix something that is a little bit > broke and have to wait for that surgury, by the time you get > it treated the brokeness is much more serious and needs more > fixing. And this just the one thing that is broken. The side > effects of the body coping with the small breakage can be > even more problematic to fix. Back and joint problems fall > into this category. Clearing waiting lists for treatment has been one of the NHS's main priorities in recent years. > >> That's not what medical insurance is supposed to do. Medical > >> insurance used to supply coverage for extraordinary circumstances. > >> Now it does the opposite. > > > >Maybe in your country. > > Yes. That's what our politicians want us to endure. I've listened > to Canadian wives whose husbands had to wait for treatment. They > were very critical of the medical systems. But they will never > say that out loud in front of their men because that would deflate > the confidence of these males in their health care. That loss can be > fatal for men. LMAO ! You're quite hilarious sometimes. Graham |