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From: unsettled on 1 Nov 2006 21:28 Jonathan Kirwan wrote: > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 21:16:34 +0100, "Frank Bemelman" > <f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote: > > >><snip> >>But having said that, what did you think after reading the material >>that Jon pointed us to? > > > Soon after this administration took office, and after seeing some of > the old war horses (Poindexter and Negroponte, to name just two) I'd > seen as true felons running amok in the Reagan Administration (who > were unscrupulous mobsters of the highest degree) and stealing like > crazy and involving themselves deeply into the illicit drug trade in > the US, having been reinstalled into this administration's key > positions, I mentioned to my wife, > > "Cheney is going to diligently work each and every detailed issue he > can, pressing those he can press each morning, and going on to the > next one when he finds one he cannot press for a moment. But he will > be relentless and undistracted. I'm somewhat worried that this > administration [I already knew Bush himself to be a minor, bit player] > will 'shoot the moon." > > This is a reference to something one does in a card game called > "Hearts," where someone goes for broke and tries to take all the > points. As an old time double deck hearts player I can assure you that there's no parallel between the game of hearts and US politics. When a hearts player intelligently goes for broke it is because he has a strong enough a hand to take all the points. Those who are hopeful for a mistake by opponents which is necessary for a win always lose unless one of the players, holding a critical card, is a neophyte. Shooting the moon, where the US is concerned in international politics, is ending the games by playing the nuclear card. We're not that much in trouble yet. > Regardless, I do also see this as just another of myriad steps of a > larger plan of Cheney's. He's very, very good at plugging away at > every place where there is a weakness to be seized upon and to also > not worry much about those he cannot do much about for the moment or > those where he gets a reversal of sorts. He is constantly surveying > and pushing where he can. Always and ever. Like a bulldozer. > > I still worry that we may find ourselves, as mere citizens, caught > unawares and unprepared.
From: unsettled on 1 Nov 2006 21:50 Eeyore wrote: > > unsettled wrote: > > >>Eeyore wrote: >> >>>unsettled wrote: >>> >>>>MooseFET wrote: >>>> >>>>>unsettled wrote: >>>> >>>>>>Where there's national health insurance, which is universal >>>>>>in any given country, where does the money come from? From >>>>>>the unemployed, perhaps? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>It also comes from the employers but less money is required so the US >>>>>employers who provide health insurance are placed at a disadvantage. >>>>>In the US health care costs about 60% more than in Canada so US >>>>>employers are at a disadvantage to that degree. >>>>> >>>>>There is some compensating advantage in that in Canada, you have to >>>>>spend hugely on heating so your workers don't freeze to death on the >>>>>shop floor. >>>> >>>>I really love this. You actually think you're getting >>>>something for nothing. >>> >>> >>>No. >>> >>>It's less expensive the 'socialist' way. >> >>Hoodwinked. Bwahahahahahaha. >> >>Never. > > > It's a simple fact. > > USA 2003 $1.7 trillion. > ( $5666 per head of population ) > http://www.kaiseredu.org/topics_im.asp?imID=1&parentID=61&id=358 > > UK NHS budget ?76.4 billion. > ( ? 1273 per head of population ) > http://www.dh.gov.uk/PublicationsAndStatistics/PressReleases/PressReleasesNotices/fs/en?CONTENT_ID=4127292&chk=HDOR9C > > And of course in the USA it's only those with health insurance who get proper > treatment. The figures aren't directly comparable as you'd have us believe. But you really need to figure that out for yourself because even when you're led to water you refuse to drink. Here's one example. UK doesn't recognize ADD or ADHD in kids a treatable condition. If you look you can find many such discrepancies. Also US health insurance pays for Chiropractics, message therapy, and other alternative therapies. Lotsa luck getting the National Health to pay for many of those.
From: unsettled on 1 Nov 2006 21:57 Eeyore wrote: > > unsettled wrote: > > >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >>>In article <4546F871.E7AD0EB5(a)hotmail.com>, >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>unsettled wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Also compare the availability of goods and services in Europe >>>>>and other places in the world to ours. >>>> >>>>What !!!! >>>> >>>>Are you being funny ? >>> >>> >>>No, he's not. There are a lot of Europeans who come to the US >>>to shop. >> >>There have been many flights bringing Europeans to shop at >>the Mall of America in Minnesota. > > > Cite ? Stuff it, fool. I've been there and talked with some of the people. I've also shopped at Gurnee Mills which is a one story affair with a mile long zig-zag mall under roof. I first ran into them there, later at Mall of America. Mall of America is so large, for your information, that there's an amusement park in the center, including a roller coaster. It set itself up to be an international destination. You don't suppose that a setup like that could be supported solely by sales to the Twin Cities and Minnesota folks within an easy drive, do you? >>Straight in, shop all day, >>get back on the plane the same day and go back. > Sounds awful ! They like it all right. Several said they come twice a year. They manage to get some sleep on the plane.
From: MooseFET on 1 Nov 2006 22:18 unsettled wrote: [....] > Here's one example. UK doesn't recognize ADD or ADHD in > kids a treatable condition. See: http://premium.netdoktor.com/uk/adhd/treatment/psychological/article.jsp?articleIdent=uk.adhd.treatment.psychological.uk_adhd_xmlarticle_004703 > > If you look you can find many such discrepancies. Also > US health insurance pays for Chiropractics, Not all US plans pay for it and see: http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=1098
From: Eeyore on 1 Nov 2006 22:28
unsettled wrote: > Eeyore wrote: > > unsettled wrote: > >>Eeyore wrote: > >>>unsettled wrote: > >>>>MooseFET wrote: > >>>>>unsettled wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>>Where there's national health insurance, which is universal > >>>>>>in any given country, where does the money come from? From > >>>>>>the unemployed, perhaps? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>It also comes from the employers but less money is required so the US > >>>>>employers who provide health insurance are placed at a disadvantage. > >>>>>In the US health care costs about 60% more than in Canada so US > >>>>>employers are at a disadvantage to that degree. > >>>>> > >>>>>There is some compensating advantage in that in Canada, you have to > >>>>>spend hugely on heating so your workers don't freeze to death on the > >>>>>shop floor. > >>>> > >>>>I really love this. You actually think you're getting > >>>>something for nothing. > >>> > >>> > >>>No. > >>> > >>>It's less expensive the 'socialist' way. > >> > >>Hoodwinked. Bwahahahahahaha. > >> > >>Never. > > > > > > It's a simple fact. > > > > USA 2003 $1.7 trillion. > > ( $5666 per head of population ) > > http://www.kaiseredu.org/topics_im.asp?imID=1&parentID=61&id=358 > > > > UK NHS budget ?76.4 billion. > > ( ? 1273 per head of population ) > > http://www.dh.gov.uk/PublicationsAndStatistics/PressReleases/PressReleasesNotices/fs/en?CONTENT_ID=4127292&chk=HDOR9C > > > > And of course in the USA it's only those with health insurance who get proper > > treatment. > > The figures aren't directly comparable as you'd have us > believe. Do elaborate on what you mean. > But you really need to figure that out for > yourself because even when you're led to water you > refuse to drink. > > Here's one example. UK doesn't recognize ADD or ADHD in > kids a treatable condition. Total rubbish. Where did you get this idea ? > If you look you can find many such discrepancies. Also > US health insurance pays for Chiropractics, message > therapy, and other alternative therapies. Lotsa luck > getting the National Health to pay for many of those. There are some recognised alternative therapies on the NHS although I don't know the detail of this. Here's a little bit about chiropractors. You can see it may be available. I'm unclear how this difers from phsiotherapy which is very definitely available on the NHS. " Chiropractic is considered a complementary therapy. Although complementary therapy is gradually becoming more widely available on the NHS, not everyone will find that chiropractic treatment is available on the NHS in their area. This is because each Primary Care Trust (PCT) decides which complementary therapies it will fund in their area. Currently, only about one-fifth of chiropractors are able to treat people under the NHS. " http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=1098 And here's an example of homeopathy http://www.ubht.nhs.uk/homeopathy/ Next ? Graham |