MacSOUP vs. MT-NewsWatcher
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From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 30 Mar 2010 20:03 Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet(a)1q2010.subsume.com> wrote: > In article <1jg6c8w.enocxq2l74fsN%jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz>, > jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet(a)1q2010.subsume.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <1jg4k6m.5q6wznc0l6oxN%jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz>, > > > jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > > > > > MacSOUP is an offline reader. > > > > > > Abstractly, there is no such thing. There is no reason to burden the > > > user, unless they *want* to be burdened for some reason, when it comes > > > to the network status on a moment by moment basis. I've even thought of > > > writing my own easy-to-use NNTP caching proxy to make *any* reader an > > > "offline" one, along with providing features that are poorly supported > > > in most clients (filtering being my main gripe). If only I had the time > > > or funding. > > > > No such thing? This must be very abstract indeed :-) > > I'm a very abstract kind of guy. :-) But the truth *is* that social > networking of all kinds, including Usenet, does require a network, so it > doesn't make sense to say something has an "offline" feature. There are > just different degrees to which software functions independent of real > time/online/synchronous operation. > > The same is true of people. Abstractly, email isn't *that* much > different from instant messaging, yet there is usually different > software for each, and many people adopt different habits for both. I > prefer email because I don't have to constantly babysit my status or see > every conversation start with "are you there?" Similarly, I don't like > to babysit a Usenet client regarding its online/offline status. Oh, I don't know - I rather like controlling when I'll be bothered with new info in these days of information overload. Frequent checking for new email is a must for me, since I have to deal with some in a timely fashion (filters and custom alerts help). Likewise I need to know when I've new IMs or voicemail. An online Usenet client might matter more to me if I used it for more serious purposes. Still, all this is just a matter of personal preference and happenstance on my part. I can see how an always online client can be useful to some :-) > > *shrug* The above close to save example is the only un-Mac-like > > behaviour I can think of, unless you count single key shortcuts. > > I'm thinking more along the line of poorly thought out design choices. > Like launching without a window. Like calling its main document type > "Settings File". Like making me configure a POP account before anything > else. Like forcing me to set a "personality" before even *reading* > articles. Like making it non-obvious how to even *set* an NNTP server. > That's as far as I went with the clunky UI before I come to the > conclusion that it probably isn't worth the effort to use MacSOUP. Yeah... I somewhat agree. I can also understand how that might bug certain users. Then again after seeing the results of people not forced to sort the basics out before posting in other clients, I rather like that MacSOUP insists on certain things as per the Good Net-Keeping Seal of Approval minimum 'standards' <http://www.gnksa.org/>. Each to their own, though :-) -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 30 Mar 2010 20:03 Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > In article <1jg6dit.1bh05frp7l19oN%jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz>, > jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <1jg4kov.1itslhgelter0N%jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz>, > > > jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > > > > > Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <drache-57D159.16154328032010(a)nothing.attdns.com>, > > > > > erilar <drache(a)chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In article <timstreater-61969E.12293628032010(a)news.individual.net>, > > > > > > Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing in NW that was a bit annoying was having multiple > > > > > > > windows, so I tried Tbird, but have since given it up and gone > > > > > > > back to NW. Problems were: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) No x-face > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > x-face is a good quick way in MT-NW to see who an article is from. > > > > > > > > Nice kitty :-) > > > > > > It's the Cheshire cat. PS - my niece has a *real* cheshire cat - that's > > > where she lives. > > > > Cool :-D Don't suppose you know my X-Face pic? > > No, sorry. What is it? Marathon symbol <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon_%28video_game%29> <http://marathon.bungie.org/story/> In brief: Marathon was the most sucessful Mac FPS back in the days of 2.5D graphics (i.e. Doom era). Unlike Doom it had a truly compelling and well written story. Marathon also had the best ever and most fun LAN play of any FPS of that era, IMO. Ports of the Marathon trilogy and major third party maps and mods are available for OSX, Windows and various *nix OSes <> Original 68k and PPC versions are here: <http://trilogyrelease.bungie.org/> -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 30 Mar 2010 20:03 Tommaso Passi <tommaso(a)qzerty.com> wrote: > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > Cool :-D Don't suppose you know my X-Face pic? > > Marathon? ;) Frog blast the vent core! -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 30 Mar 2010 20:03 Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > In article <1jg6dit.1bh05frp7l19oN%jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz>, > jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > Don't suppose you know my X-Face pic? > > I loved that game! IIRC, I read a headline recently about someone > bringing Marathon back? See my other post for the OSX ports :-) Or do you mean a Marathon 4? Or a remake of the original? Dunno if Bungie will ever do that. Be amazing if they did, though *drools at thought* -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 30 Mar 2010 20:07
Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > > > In article <1jg6dit.1bh05frp7l19oN%jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz>, > > jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > > > Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <1jg4kov.1itslhgelter0N%jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz>, > > > > jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In article <drache-57D159.16154328032010(a)nothing.attdns.com>, > > > > > > erilar <drache(a)chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > <timstreater-61969E.12293628032010(a)news.individual.net>, > > > > > > > Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing in NW that was a bit annoying was having multiple > > > > > > > > windows, so I tried Tbird, but have since given it up and gone > > > > > > > > back to NW. Problems were: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) No x-face > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > x-face is a good quick way in MT-NW to see who an article is from. > > > > > > > > > > Nice kitty :-) > > > > > > > > It's the Cheshire cat. PS - my niece has a *real* cheshire cat - that's > > > > where she lives. > > > > > > Cool :-D Don't suppose you know my X-Face pic? > > > > No, sorry. What is it? > > Marathon symbol <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon_%28video_game%29> > <http://marathon.bungie.org/story/> > > In brief: Marathon was the most sucessful Mac FPS back in the days of > 2.5D graphics (i.e. Doom era). Unlike Doom it had a truly compelling and > well written story. Marathon also had the best ever and most fun LAN > play of any FPS of that era, IMO. > > Ports of the Marathon trilogy and major third party maps and mods are > available for OSX, Windows and various *nix OSes <> Doh! I meant to say <http://marathon.sourceforge.net/> (I was still looking up the link in my bookmarks at the time of writing :-D ) > Original 68k and PPC versions are here: > <http://trilogyrelease.bungie.org/> -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. |