MacSOUP vs. MT-NewsWatcher
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From: Richard Maine on 30 Mar 2010 19:20 Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > Tommaso Passi <tommaso(a)qzerty.com> wrote: > > > Richard Maine <nospam(a)see.signature> wrote: > > > > > No, I'm not interested in explanations about why there is some internal > > > reason why this is logical to someone. Intuitive user interface is about > > > not having to explain to me why things are awkward. > > > > You're right, using the default settings file is not enough at all and > > there is no reason that justifies this illogical behavior. > > Oh give me a break *rolls eyes* It makes perfect sense in a document > centric model (something a great many other Mac apps follow). I specifically addressed that previously. I consider a document model inappropriate. I'm not opening a document; I'm opening my newsreader. See my comparison with Mail and how it doesn't ask me who's mail I want to read whenever I open it. -- Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience; email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment. domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain
From: Richard Maine on 30 Mar 2010 19:41 Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > Alright, why not just put the settings file permanently in your Dock > instead of the MacSOUP app (assuming you do so, otherwise subsitute the > settings file for the MacSOUP app in whatever other lancher you prefer)? > Problem solved. Easy :-) Maybe it is easy for you. I'm obviously not as bright. :-) Just for kicks, I just tried to drag the settings file to the dock. It doesn't want to go there. In fact, no kind of document that I tried seems to want to go there, not that I have otherwise tried to do that before. Yes, I'm sure there is a way for those sufficiently bright. Or maybe I could get some whole new launcher just to compensate for MacSOUP's wierdness. Those who might expect it to "just work" are out of luck though, as far as I can see. Even if someone hass a way to work around the wierdness, the fact that one has to work around an awkward user interface annoyance doesn't sound to me like much in the way of evidence of a clean user interface - rather the opposite. -- Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience; email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment. domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain
From: Nick Naym on 30 Mar 2010 19:49 In article 1jg6dxw.1lixip21vrir3cN%nospam(a)see.signature, Richard Maine at nospam(a)see.signature wrote on 3/30/10 7:41 PM: > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > >> Alright, why not just put the settings file permanently in your Dock >> instead of the MacSOUP app (assuming you do so, otherwise subsitute the >> settings file for the MacSOUP app in whatever other lancher you prefer)? >> Problem solved. Easy :-) > > Maybe it is easy for you. I'm obviously not as bright. :-) > > Just for kicks, I just tried to drag the settings file to the dock. It > doesn't want to go there. In fact, no kind of document that I tried > seems to want to go there, not that I have otherwise tried to do that > before. Which side of the Dock are you dragging it to? > Yes, I'm sure there is a way for those sufficiently bright. Or > maybe I could get some whole new launcher just to compensate for > MacSOUP's wierdness. Those who might expect it to "just work" are out of > luck though, as far as I can see. > > Even if someone hass a way to work around the wierdness, the fact that > one has to work around an awkward user interface annoyance doesn't sound > to me like much in the way of evidence of a clean user interface - > rather the opposite. -- iMac (27", 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HDD) � OS X (10.6.3)
From: Richard Maine on 30 Mar 2010 20:01 Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote: > In article 1jg6dxw.1lixip21vrir3cN%nospam(a)see.signature, Richard Maine at > nospam(a)see.signature wrote on 3/30/10 7:41 PM: > > > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > >> Alright, why not just put the settings file permanently in your Dock > >> instead of the MacSOUP app > > Just for kicks, I just tried to drag the settings file to the dock. It > > doesn't want to go there. > > Which side of the Dock are you dragging it to? The same side I drag everything to. Hmm. Yes, I see. Guess I can drag it to the other side. Didn't think of doing that because I never do. Ah. So if I pretend that MacSOUP isn't an app, but somehow is a document, and so I put it someplace in the dock different from all my apps, it can sort of work.... except for the part about being completely different from the way all other apps work. Wasn't part of this thread asking about ways in which it didn't follow normal Mac conventions? No, people aren't going to convince me that I ought to think of it as a document instead of an app. Let me know when everyone starts doing Mail that way, perhaps by opening your mail folder instead of the app. And, of course, one could presumably always open the iTunes folder instead of its app also. Etc, etc. > > Even if someone hass a way to work around the wierdness, the fact that > > one has to work around an awkward user interface annoyance doesn't sound > > to me like much in the way of evidence of a clean user interface - > > rather the opposite. Ok. You found the way to work around it. See my para above. -- Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience; email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment. domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 30 Mar 2010 20:03
M-M <nospam.m-m(a)ny.more> wrote: > In article <1jg6ubb.1263x9a1y039c2N%isteen(a)gmail.com>, > isteen(a)gmail.com (Steen) wrote: > > > I can think of one. You can search for groups in Macsoup. Just type > > something like "smo" and the list will show you groups with those > > letters in it. In MTNW you have to go trough all groups, in case you're > > just looking around for something new. > > Or...maybe it's just me that haven't found the full features in MTNW. > > > You can certainly search for groups in MT-NW. The full group list window > has a search bar at the top. > > Some things I really like about MT, besides the excellent filtering and > shortcuts is the ability to "Open all references" to see the origin of a > post (that's why I don't need the tree) and the ability to > opt-double-click on a group and bring up the last xx number of posts, or > all the posts in the last xx timeframe. So even if you mark all posts > read, you can easily go back. > > Also the ability for multiple servers and multiple personalities and > assigning different sigs and headers to each. There is a drop-down menu > in the posting window. > > And of course x-face. > > I saw the discussion of two-handed newsreading. MT only requires one > finger for general use. X-Face support is - obviously (look above) - in MacSOUP as well :-) -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. |