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From: Jean Smith on 29 Mar 2010 08:46 In article <1jg44dz.hh4ijsutswlcN%isteen(a)gmail.com>, isteen(a)gmail.com (Steen) wrote: > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > Steen <isteen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Lewis <g.kreme(a)gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > > And MTNW supports multiple servers > > > > FYI: MacSOUP can as well, it just can't have more than one open at a > > time. > > One thing that's real shame about MTNW is that, if you change the > default font, it can't handle danish letters. MacSOUP can I hope you save the discussion of pastries for elsewhere. But do you know why MTNW has been unstable since OS 10.6? It has lessened lately, but there was an occurrence of the deadly spinners of doom yesterday. -- Help Haiti: http://www.state.gov/p/wha/ci/ha/index.htm A range of organizations http://www.wbur.org/2010/01/13/help-haiti CitizenTube http://www.youtube.com/citizentube#p/c/EB843ABAF59735FD http://northalabamahealthcareforall.org http://healthcareforamericanow.org/
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 29 Mar 2010 23:08 Steen <isteen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > Steen <isteen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Lewis <g.kreme(a)gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > > And MTNW supports multiple servers > > > > FYI: MacSOUP can as well, it just can't have more than one open at a > > time. > > One thing that's real shame about MTNW is that, if you change the > default font, it can't handle danish letters. MacSOUP can My ideal newsreader: a fusion of MacSOUP's UI with MTNW's features :-) But since god-awful web forums and social networking sites are apparently the future of communication (the powers have mercy on us! *ill look*), I doubt we'll ever see another major Usenet client release that isn't Usenet for newbies *cough* Unison *hack* I just hope geeks like us keep Usenet alive till I die. Or *dare I to dream...* a Usenet 3.0 catches on... (fat chance :-\ ). -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 29 Mar 2010 23:37 Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > In article <1jg4kov.1itslhgelter0N%jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz>, > jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <drache-57D159.16154328032010(a)nothing.attdns.com>, > > > erilar <drache(a)chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <timstreater-61969E.12293628032010(a)news.individual.net>, > > > > Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > One thing in NW that was a bit annoying was having multiple > > > > > windows, so I tried Tbird, but have since given it up and gone > > > > > back to NW. Problems were: > > > > > > > > > > 1) No x-face > > > > ? > > > > > > x-face is a good quick way in MT-NW to see who an article is from. > > > > Nice kitty :-) > > It's the Cheshire cat. PS - my niece has a *real* cheshire cat - that's > where she lives. Cool :-D Don't suppose you know my X-Face pic? -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Richard Maine on 30 Mar 2010 00:17 Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > *shrug* The above close to save example is the only un-Mac-like > behaviour I can think of, unless you count single key shortcuts. I can think of a lot. I find MacSOUP pretty non-intuitive and different from many Mac programs in general. I do still use it (as is evident) because there are features of it that I like and I've learned to deal with the others. ..... well I've mostly learned to deal with them. Some of the shortcuts are pretty non-intuitive to me. I'm not talking about the single-key ones. The flower-option-k to check for new news (and send queued posts) pretty much blows my mind. Three non-obvious keys for a very common operation. That pretty much means I can't read the news without both hands (so forget eating while reading news, particularly if it is something that might get one hand a bit messy). As long as I read news regularly, at least my fingers remember it. But in order to cite the key combination above, I had to do it and then look at what keys I had pushed because the memory is mostly in the fingers. If I take a few weeks vacation without reading the news, the fingers forget and I have to go look it up. A non-Mac behavior that particularly irks me is the behavior on closing the "main" window (the one I think of as the newsgroups window, but it calls settings). It is basically a mistake to ever close that Window in MacSOUP. If you do, it is a bother to open it up again. You basically have to bring up MacSOUP (which won't show any windows), then shut it down completely (with flower-Q), then restart it. Otherwise, you'd have to go browse to your settings file and tell it to open that. If you keep multiple settings files that might make sense. But if, like me, you only have one settings file and so you make it your default, you probably forget exactly where and what it was. You normally just open MacSOUP and it does the right thing..... as long as MacSOUP was not already running. If you accidentally leave it running by closing the settings window instead of hitting flower-Q, then on opening it you just end up staring at nothing but a title bar. Some people seem to think this makes sense because it is like an editor, where you have to tell it what file you want to edit. I can only guess these people must use multiple settings files because to me it isn't anything at all like an editor. Imagine opening Mail and having it ask you to tell it whose mail you want to read. Um. How about mine - like always, which in fact is the only option that will work. And that only happens if you left mail running; if you quit it and restart, it of course reads your mail. That being said, as noted, I do use MacSOUP for its good points. But I don't do the fanboy thing. I recognize that even the products I prefer aren't perfect and have features that annoy me. Yes, this means that Macs have features that annoy me - plenty of them. No, this does not mean that I have even a vague temptation to switch to, for example, Windows. There are different levels of annoyance. Churchhill's famous quote comes to mind: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." I might likewise say that OS X is the worst operating system around except for all the others I have tried from time to time. -- Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience; email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment. domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain
From: Nick Naym on 30 Mar 2010 01:04
In article 1jg6cjn.1dbgu3i1nbnddsN%jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz, Jamie Kahn Genet at jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz wrote on 3/29/10 11:08 PM: > Steen <isteen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: >> >>> Steen <isteen(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Lewis <g.kreme(a)gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> >>>> And MTNW supports multiple servers >>> >>> FYI: MacSOUP can as well, it just can't have more than one open at a >>> time. >> >> One thing that's real shame about MTNW is that, if you change the >> default font, it can't handle danish letters. MacSOUP can > > My ideal newsreader: a fusion of MacSOUP's UI with MTNW's features :-) > But since god-awful web forums and social networking sites are > apparently the future of communication (the powers have mercy on us! > *ill look*), I doubt we'll ever see another major Usenet client release > that isn't Usenet for newbies *cough* Unison *hack* > As I said earlier, "in today's era of tweets, blurbs, and blogs...alas! :(" > I just hope geeks like us keep Usenet alive till I die. Or *dare I to > dream...* a Usenet 3.0 catches on... (fat chance :-\ ). -- iMac (27", 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HDD) � OS X (10.6.2) |