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From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 30 Mar 2010 20:38 Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote: > In article 1jg6dxw.1lixip21vrir3cN%nospam(a)see.signature, Richard Maine at > nospam(a)see.signature wrote on 3/30/10 7:41 PM: > > > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > >> Alright, why not just put the settings file permanently in your Dock > >> instead of the MacSOUP app (assuming you do so, otherwise subsitute the > >> settings file for the MacSOUP app in whatever other lancher you prefer)? > >> Problem solved. Easy :-) > > > > Maybe it is easy for you. I'm obviously not as bright. :-) > > > > Just for kicks, I just tried to drag the settings file to the dock. It > > doesn't want to go there. In fact, no kind of document that I tried > > seems to want to go there, not that I have otherwise tried to do that > > before. > > Which side of the Dock are you dragging it to? > > > Yes, I'm sure there is a way for those sufficiently bright. Or > > maybe I could get some whole new launcher just to compensate for > > MacSOUP's wierdness. Those who might expect it to "just work" are out of > > luck though, as far as I can see. > > > > Even if someone hass a way to work around the wierdness, the fact that > > one has to work around an awkward user interface annoyance doesn't sound > > to me like much in the way of evidence of a clean user interface - > > rather the opposite. Or he could create an AppleScript applet to open the settings file, give it MacSOUP's or the setting's file's icon even, and he can have that on the left side of the Dock with the other apps. And yes - I know I'm going overboard now :-D But really - all this fuss over a document model which he doesn't like because it doesn't happen to suit his usage. Shesh. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Richard Maine on 30 Mar 2010 20:59 Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > But really - all this fuss > over a document model which he doesn't like because it doesn't happen to > suit his usage. Shesh. Why shesh? Seems to me like that is an excellent reason to not like something - because it doesn't suit my usage. What better reason can there be? I can't imagine one. Did I say it can't fit anyone else's usage? No. Nor am I going to say that. But it doesn't fit mine and I regard that as supremely important. I don't own a pickup truck either. Why? because it doesn't fit my usage. Does that mean I think pickup trucks are useless for everyone? No. I also don't drive a tank for simillar reasons, though they also have their uses. I'm not a believer in the fanboy attitude that everyone has to have the same usage/preferences/whatever as me. But I do figure that I'm entitled to mine. And it is evident that I'm not alone in regarding some of MacSOUP's interface as nonintuitive. So I think it useful for me to point those aspects out. It is also evident that some people get along fine with them. I have figured out that MacSOUP's author doesn't share my interface preferences, so it isn't going to change. -- Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience; email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment. domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain
From: Nick Naym on 30 Mar 2010 21:09 In article 1jg6ewq.1m0m8zk9s6fb8N%nospam(a)see.signature, Richard Maine at nospam(a)see.signature wrote on 3/30/10 8:01 PM: > Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote: > >> In article 1jg6dxw.1lixip21vrir3cN%nospam(a)see.signature, Richard Maine at >> nospam(a)see.signature wrote on 3/30/10 7:41 PM: >> >>> Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: >>> >>>> Alright, why not just put the settings file permanently in your Dock >>>> instead of the MacSOUP app > >>> Just for kicks, I just tried to drag the settings file to the dock. It >>> doesn't want to go there. >> >> Which side of the Dock are you dragging it to? > > The same side I drag everything to. Hmm. Yes, I see. Guess I can drag it > to the other side. Didn't think of doing that because I never do. Ah. So > if I pretend that MacSOUP isn't an app, but somehow is a document, and > so I put it someplace in the dock different from all my apps, it can > sort of work.... except for the part about being completely different > from the way all other apps work. Wasn't part of this thread asking > about ways in which it didn't follow normal Mac conventions? MacSOUP is an app, and must be dragged to the left side of the Dock. But the settings file -- the "it" you referred to above ("I just tried to drag the settings file to the dock. It doesn't want to go there") -- is a document, not an app, and must be dragged to the right side of the Dock. To get the behavior you seem to want, drag the settings file to the right side of the Dock, and click on it to open -- or return to -- MacSOUP, whether or not you're "starting from scratch." > No, people aren't going to convince me that I ought to think of it as a > document instead of an app. Let me know when everyone starts doing Mail > that way, perhaps by opening your mail folder instead of the app. And, > of course, one could presumably always open the iTunes folder instead of > its app also. Etc, etc. > >>> Even if someone hass a way to work around the wierdness, the fact that >>> one has to work around an awkward user interface annoyance doesn't sound >>> to me like much in the way of evidence of a clean user interface - >>> rather the opposite. > > Ok. You found the way to work around it. See my para above. -- iMac (27", 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HDD) � OS X (10.6.3)
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 30 Mar 2010 22:02 Richard Maine <nospam(a)see.signature> wrote: > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > But really - all this fuss > > over a document model which he doesn't like because it doesn't happen to > > suit his usage. Shesh. > > Why shesh? Seems to me like that is an excellent reason to not like > something - because it doesn't suit my usage. What better reason can > there be? I can't imagine one. > > Did I say it can't fit anyone else's usage? No. Nor am I going to say > that. But it doesn't fit mine and I regard that as supremely important. > > I don't own a pickup truck either. Why? because it doesn't fit my usage. > Does that mean I think pickup trucks are useless for everyone? No. I > also don't drive a tank for simillar reasons, though they also have > their uses. > > I'm not a believer in the fanboy attitude that everyone has to have the > same usage/preferences/whatever as me. But I do figure that I'm entitled > to mine. And it is evident that I'm not alone in regarding some of > MacSOUP's interface as nonintuitive. So I think it useful for me to > point those aspects out. It is also evident that some people get along > fine with them. I have figured out that MacSOUP's author doesn't share > my interface preferences, so it isn't going to change. There you go then :-) -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Steen on 31 Mar 2010 03:42
M-M <nospam.m-m(a)ny.more> wrote: > You can certainly search for groups in MT-NW. The full group list window > has a search bar at the top. Okay, I overlooked the tap that reveils the search bar -- http://bit.ly/daWnEe |