MacSOUP vs. MT-NewsWatcher
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From: Mike Rosenberg on 28 Mar 2010 17:36 erilar <drache(a)chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > > NW's only real downside is its > > multiple windows. > > That's a downside???? For people who want a single window, multiple windows are a downside. For people who want multiple windows, a single window is a downaide. That's why we like choice. -- My latest dance performance <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_9pudbFisE> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi>
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 28 Mar 2010 17:47 Mike Rosenberg <mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com> wrote: > erilar <drache(a)chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > > > Given a fast connection, exactly what is the attraction of an off-line > > newsreader? You have all that stuff sitting on your computer, have to > > manually delete it, have to reconnect to reply to anything---these are > > advantages? > > As a longtime user of MacSOUP, I have to say that, for the most part > these days, the online vs. offline aspect is irrelevant. I keep using > MacSOUP because I'm quite used to it and would not dream of giving up > the graphical tree display. > > That said, it's no different than using a mail client, such as Mail, > Entourage or Thunderbird, to read email from a POP server. When reading > mail from a POP server, as opposed to accessing it via webmail or using > the client with an IMAP server, you're using an offline reader. > > BTW, I don't have to manually delete anything from MacSOUP, and with an > always-on high speed connection, "reconnecting" to reply to something is > trivial, no more complicated than replying to an email by whatever > means. Also, reading just text groups, as I do, "all that stuff" sitting > on my computer takes up almost no space, by which I mean less combined > space than a single email with attachments can occupy. You can also set read articles to be purge after a certain time, and manually purge all articles read or unread of a specified age, in a couple easy steps. Or just mark everything read and purge in two steps. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 28 Mar 2010 17:47 Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > In article <1jg10i6.1oaf1q0g0d7tgN%mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com>, > mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote: > > > erilar <drache(a)chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > > > > > Given a fast connection, exactly what is the attraction of an off-line > > > newsreader? You have all that stuff sitting on your computer, have to > > > manually delete it, have to reconnect to reply to anything---these are > > > advantages? > > > > As a longtime user of MacSOUP, I have to say that, for the most part > > these days, the online vs. offline aspect is irrelevant. I keep using > > MacSOUP because I'm quite used to it and would not dream of giving up > > the graphical tree display. > > Mmmmm. I really can't see the point of this. I view netnews as a general > discussion and bullshitting arena. I'm not really bothered who replies > to whom, in what sequence, whether attributions are 100% correct, or > whether folks top-post. I feel that those who *are* bothered by these > things need to get out more. > > So nothing too complicated is just right. NW's only real downside is its > multiple windows. I'd hardly call MacSOUP complicated. It's got a very simple and straightforward UI, I think. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Richard Maine on 28 Mar 2010 23:05 erilar <drache(a)chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > In article <1jg2860.hnhvfilr5u2gN%nospam(a)see.signature>, > nospam(a)see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote: > > > In particular, you still do have the option to edit or delete it before > > connecting to the server. > > So? You can do that before hitting "post" in MTNW while on line, too. I was not comparing it to MTNW, so the "So?" is a bit of a non sequitur. Other people in the thread might have been making such comparisons, but I distinctly was not. My comment was not a comparison with anything. I mentioned that behavior only to explain that closing the window in MacSOUP did not imediately post the item in the way that Tim seemed to think. In that context, it is very relevant and not worthy of a "So?". Note that Tim thanked me for the explanation. -- Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience; email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment. domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 28 Mar 2010 23:50
M-M <nospam.m-m(a)ny.more> wrote: > In article <C7D3B691.561E6%nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid>, > Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote: > > > So, in what manner is Newswatcher "the only newsreader ... that can > > compete with MacSOUP?" > > > The keyboard shortcuts in MT-NW are much better and makes navigation > easier and getting done quicker. > > Admitedly I am quite a newbie with MacSoup (I'm just trying it now) but > an expert at MT. I find Macsoup to be less intuitive, and that's not > saying much because MT has a pretty steep learning curve. > > Filtering is also better with MT. You can filter articles and assign a > heirarchy to how high they they display in the message window. So when I > am in a hurry, I open a group and just have to look at the colored > articles that automatically come to the top. Then if I don't see > anything interesting I hit one key and the grup is marked as read and > the next grup window opens. > > OK, so MT does not display the tree. I can live without it although > sometimes I do wish it were there. I get around it by choosing "Open all > references". > > (I tried to post this from MacSoup but couldn't figure out how. There > was no button or menu command to "Post". So I copied it back to MT to > send.) In MacSOUP just close the window you wrote the post in, and go Special->Connect to Server… or Command-K. Once you set your connection prefs in the Connect to Server dialog, you can just go Special->Connect to Server (no '…'), or Command-Option-K to immediately connect the same way. Yes, it's slightly unintuitive to just close the your new message's window to save it to your Outgoing Mail & News folder, but you'll quickly get used to it. FYI - you can click on the envelope icon (next to the Options button) in a new message's toolbar, or go Message->Suspend Message to place a black cross over the icon, which means do not send this message yet (aka save as draft). This is all covered in the manual which is fairly short and to the point, so don't be afraid to read it over. MacSOUP is one of those apps that is somewhat non-intuitive, yet very easy and powerful to use once you know how. This is both it's shortcoming and it's strength IMO. I can quickly and concisely read the news I want, but when I first tried the app I was somewhat baffled till I took a few minutes to RTFM :-) -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. |