MacSOUP vs. MT-NewsWatcher
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From: Steen on 30 Mar 2010 16:44 M-M <nospam.m-m(a)ny.more> wrote: > In article <1jg4v3h.af3w5g1g6cw3wN%nospam(a)see.signature>, > nospam(a)see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote: > > > That being said, as noted, I do use MacSOUP for its good points. > > > Can you please elaborate on the good points of MacSoup vs. MT-NW. > > I know about thread trees and that is something I can certainly live > without. > > Anything else? I can think of one. You can search for groups in Macsoup. Just type something like "smo" and the list will show you groups with those letters in it. In MTNW you have to go trough all groups, in case you're just looking around for something new. Or...maybe it's just me that haven't found the full features in MTNW. Anyway, I'm still using both newsreaders - -- http://bit.ly/daWnEe
From: M-M on 30 Mar 2010 17:22 In article <1jg6ubb.1263x9a1y039c2N%isteen(a)gmail.com>, isteen(a)gmail.com (Steen) wrote: > I can think of one. You can search for groups in Macsoup. Just type > something like "smo" and the list will show you groups with those > letters in it. In MTNW you have to go trough all groups, in case you're > just looking around for something new. > Or...maybe it's just me that haven't found the full features in MTNW. You can certainly search for groups in MT-NW. The full group list window has a search bar at the top. Some things I really like about MT, besides the excellent filtering and shortcuts is the ability to "Open all references" to see the origin of a post (that's why I don't need the tree) and the ability to opt-double-click on a group and bring up the last xx number of posts, or all the posts in the last xx timeframe. So even if you mark all posts read, you can easily go back. Also the ability for multiple servers and multiple personalities and assigning different sigs and headers to each. There is a drop-down menu in the posting window. And of course x-face. I saw the discussion of two-handed newsreading. MT only requires one finger for general use. -- m-m http://www.mhmyers.com
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 30 Mar 2010 18:58 Richard Maine <nospam(a)see.signature> wrote: > Tommaso Passi <tommaso(a)qzerty.com> wrote: > > > Richard Maine <nospam(a)see.signature> wrote: > > > > > A non-Mac behavior that particularly irks me is the behavior on closing > > > the "main" window (the one I think of as the newsgroups window, but it > > > calls settings). It is basically a mistake to ever close that Window in > > > MacSOUP. If you do, it is a bother to open it up again. You basically > > > have to bring up MacSOUP (which won't show any windows), then shut it > > > down completely (with flower-Q), then restart it. Otherwise, you'd have > > > to go browse to your settings file and tell it to open that. If you keep > > > multiple settings files that might make sense. But if, like me, you only > > > have one settings file and so you make it your default, you probably > > > forget exactly where and what it was. You normally just open MacSOUP and > > > it does the right thing..... as long as MacSOUP was not already running. > > > If you accidentally leave it running by closing the settings window > > > instead of hitting flower-Q, then on opening it you just end up staring > > > at nothing but a title bar. > > > > You can use MacSOUP's default settings file feature, from page 7 of > > MacSOUP's Manual: > > > > "make an alias of the settings file, name it "MacSOUP Default Settings" > > and put it in the preferences folder "~/Library/Preferences". MacSOUP > > will then use this settings file by default." > > I don't think you read my description of the problem. I *DO* use the > default settings file. That's why things work fine if I completely quit > MacSOUP and restart it. If I didn't use the default, then at least > things would be consistent. Awkward, but consistent. But the default > only applies on starting from scratch, which means that the behavior > when not starting from scratch is inconsistent as well as awkward. It > doesn't do anything if you close the settings window without quitting > MacSOUP. I'm betting you must never do that, or you'd recognize the > bahavior right away. Go ahead... > > Close all the windows in MacSOUP. That's close them, as in with the red > button (or with flower-w); don't just minimize them to the dock. MacSOUP > should still show in the dock as running, although having no windows. > Then click on the MacSOUP dock icon just as you would to start it from > scratch. Absolutely nothing will happen. No windows open. The default > file will not help. You either have to browse to the file and select it > (I might add that the browse probably won't even start in the right > directory), or completely quit MacSOUP and restart. > > No, I'm not interested in explanations about why there is some internal > reason why this is logical to someone. Intuitive user interface is about > not having to explain to me why things are awkward. Alright, why not just put the settings file permanently in your Dock instead of the MacSOUP app (assuming you do so, otherwise subsitute the settings file for the MacSOUP app in whatever other lancher you prefer)? Problem solved. Easy :-) -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 30 Mar 2010 18:58 M-M <nospam.m-m(a)ny.more> wrote: > In article <1jg4v3h.af3w5g1g6cw3wN%nospam(a)see.signature>, > nospam(a)see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote: > > > That being said, as noted, I do use MacSOUP for its good points. > > > Can you please elaborate on the good points of MacSoup vs. MT-NW. > > I know about thread trees and that is something I can certainly live > without. > > Anything else? The features of MacSOUP I love are the graphical thread tree (of course), powerful regular expressions killfile, tagging (both automatic and manual) of posts and threads to easily read everything you want at once just hitting the spacebar, views (unread, read, all, tagged, new, locked), the simple uncluttered UI, true references-based threading... what am I leaving out? -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 30 Mar 2010 18:58
Tommaso Passi <tommaso(a)qzerty.com> wrote: > Richard Maine <nospam(a)see.signature> wrote: > > > No, I'm not interested in explanations about why there is some internal > > reason why this is logical to someone. Intuitive user interface is about > > not having to explain to me why things are awkward. > > You're right, using the default settings file is not enough at all and > there is no reason that justifies this illogical behavior. Oh give me a break *rolls eyes* It makes perfect sense in a document centric model (something a great many other Mac apps follow). What IS unfortunate is MacSOUP can only have one document (settings file) open at a time. THAT is what you should be complaining about. MacSOUP is the System 6 of Usenet clients: fast, clean, simple, even sparse in design (which I rather like). But you can only do one thing at a time. However I can count the number of times I've needed multiple servers open at once on one hand. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. |