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From: Lloyd Parsons on 5 Aug 2010 20:29 In article <kvim565pseig2p2b8nh462eiqerfta9apt(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:21:34 -0500, in > <lloydparsons-CEA3F6.15213405082010(a)idisk.mac.com>, Lloyd Parsons > <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: > > >In article <050820101307103677%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, > > nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > >> In article <lloydparsons-E4398D.15041505082010(a)idisk.mac.com>, Lloyd > >> Parsons <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> > >> > > > And for all the complaints about how good/bad AT&T is, > >> > > > there has been much conjecture that if any other provider had been > >> > > > given > >> > > > the iPhone exclusive, they would have had the same problems that > >> > > > AT&T > >> > > > has had with the useage patterns. > >> > > > >> > > except that with the explosion of android phones, you don't see very > >> > > many complaints about verizon, yet you still see complaints about > >> > > at&t. > >> > > >> > In the grand scheme of things, that explosion is not a big one. The > >> > numbers are still pretty low. > >> > >> although there are a lot more iphones than android devices, android is > >> selling a *lot* of devices and there aren't very many problems on > >> verizon, sprint or t-mobile. with the iphone, at&t had problems from > >> day one. > > > >That is true, and the conjecture was that back then, any provider would > >have had a horrible time dealing with it. Of course, it should be > >better now, and from reports I see, it is in many parts of the country, > >but not all. > > > >As to Android, yes they are selling lots these days, but the numbers are > >still small compared to the number of active iPhones, > > Depends on your definition of "small" -- 8.7 million Android handsets > here in the U.S. compared with 10.7 million iPhones according to > Quantcast. > > >and it is spread > >among providers. > > True, but Android phones on AT&T <http://goo.gl/EyTr> aren't generating > complaints the way iPhone has and still is. A couple things to consider. 1. How many Android phones are running on the Verizion network alone? I don't know, but suspect it is quite a bit lower than iPhones on AT&T 2. Reports are that most Android phone users aren't buying many additional apps. If that is so, does that impact? -- Lloyd
From: Lloyd Parsons on 5 Aug 2010 20:31 In article <tckm56h6i3e25l7122k7leetk970oiefi6(a)4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl(a)cruzio.com> wrote: > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:51:17 -0500, Lloyd Parsons > <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: > > >> On the contrary -- Android has now moved past iPhone into 2nd place > >> behind RIM in smartphones. > > > >In numbers in use? I don't think so. Can you provide a link showing > >that please? > > 1st quarter 2010 > <http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_100510.html> > RIM 36% > Android 28% > Apple 21% > > 2nd quarter 2010 > <http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_100804.html> > RIM 28% > Android 33% > Apple 22% Sorry Jeff, those are numbers sold in particular quarters, not in use. -- Lloyd
From: Lloyd Parsons on 5 Aug 2010 20:32 In article <l6km565s51vqkhioos6rel7orqqf2mq6q2(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:51:17 -0500, in > <lloydparsons-DD96F1.18511705082010(a)idisk.mac.com>, Lloyd Parsons > <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: > > >In article <gtim561mpmfelmnl94fc7oq2tjnoks7vfh(a)4ax.com>, > > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:04:15 -0500, in > >> <lloydparsons-E4398D.15041505082010(a)idisk.mac.com>, Lloyd Parsons > >> <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> > >> >In article <050820101301232886%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, > >> > nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> > > >> >> In article <lloydparsons-2C9285.10404005082010(a)idisk.mac.com>, Lloyd > >> >> Parsons <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > And for all the complaints about how good/bad AT&T is, > >> >> > there has been much conjecture that if any other provider had been > >> >> > given > >> >> > the iPhone exclusive, they would have had the same problems that AT&T > >> >> > has had with the useage patterns. > >> >> > >> >> except that with the explosion of android phones, you don't see very > >> >> many complaints about verizon, yet you still see complaints about at&t. > >> > > >> >In the grand scheme of things, that explosion is not a big one. The > >> >numbers are still pretty low. > >> > >> On the contrary -- Android has now moved past iPhone into 2nd place > >> behind RIM in smartphones. > > > >In numbers in use? I don't think so. Can you provide a link showing > >that please? > > Been there, done that -- see my posts here with citations and numbers. > Otherwise, "Google is your friend." Well, Google will have to do without my company tonight. Other answers show no answer as to in use. -- Lloyd
From: Jeff Liebermann on 5 Aug 2010 20:47 On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:11:01 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >In article <tckm56h6i3e25l7122k7leetk970oiefi6(a)4ax.com>, > Jeff Liebermann <jeffl(a)cruzio.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:51:17 -0500, Lloyd Parsons >> <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: >> >> >> On the contrary -- Android has now moved past iPhone into 2nd place >> >> behind RIM in smartphones. >> > >> >In numbers in use? I don't think so. Can you provide a link showing >> >that please? >> >> 1st quarter 2010 >> <http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_100510.html> >> RIM 36% >> Android 28% >> Apple 21% >> >> 2nd quarter 2010 >> <http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_100804.html> >> RIM 28% >> Android 33% >> Apple 22% > >Those are quarterly market share figures and not numbers in use. Yes, they're sales figures. I interpreted John's original comments to reflect current sales figures, not total number of users, which would only dilute the trends because of the large number of existing users tied to the device and to the carrier by 2 year contracts. For overall user figures (2nd quarter, 2010), see: <http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/online_mobile/android-soars-but-iphone-still-most-desired-as-smartphones-grab-25-of-u-s-mobile-market/> Overall US 6 months ownership sales Rim 35% 33% iPhone 28% 23% Windoze Mobile 15% 11% Android 13% 27% Palm 3% 1% Linux 3% 3% Symbian 2% 2% -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl(a)cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
From: Alan Baker on 5 Aug 2010 20:59
In article <pulm56hhopvtc7eo7qko5hnmf2e51ujsht(a)4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl(a)cruzio.com> wrote: > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:11:01 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > wrote: > > >In article <tckm56h6i3e25l7122k7leetk970oiefi6(a)4ax.com>, > > Jeff Liebermann <jeffl(a)cruzio.com> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:51:17 -0500, Lloyd Parsons > >> <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> > >> >> On the contrary -- Android has now moved past iPhone into 2nd place > >> >> behind RIM in smartphones. > >> > > >> >In numbers in use? I don't think so. Can you provide a link showing > >> >that please? > >> > >> 1st quarter 2010 > >> <http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_100510.html> > >> RIM 36% > >> Android 28% > >> Apple 21% > >> > >> 2nd quarter 2010 > >> <http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_100804.html> > >> RIM 28% > >> Android 33% > >> Apple 22% > > > >Those are quarterly market share figures and not numbers in use. > > Yes, they're sales figures. I interpreted John's original comments to > reflect current sales figures, not total number of users, which would > only dilute the trends because of the large number of existing users > tied to the device and to the carrier by 2 year contracts. Dude: here's what the person (Lloyd, not John) said in the post to which you just replied: "In numbers in use? I don't think so. Can you provide a link showing that please?" And you provided market share figures instead. > > For overall user figures (2nd quarter, 2010), see: > <http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/online_mobile/android-soars-but-iphone-st > ill-most-desired-as-smartphones-grab-25-of-u-s-mobile-market/> > > Overall US 6 months > ownership sales > Rim 35% 33% > iPhone 28% 23% > Windoze Mobile 15% 11% > Android 13% 27% > Palm 3% 1% > Linux 3% 3% > Symbian 2% 2% -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |