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From: KDT on 10 Aug 2010 20:46 On Aug 6, 11:31 am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 19:29:24 -0500, in > <lloydparsons-257D54.19292405082...(a)idisk.mac.com>, Lloyd Parsons > > <lloydpars...(a)mac.com> wrote: > >In article <kvim565pseig2p2b8nh462eiqerfta9...(a)4ax.com>, > > John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> True, but Android phones on AT&T <http://goo.gl/EyTr> aren't generating > >> complaints the way iPhone has and still is. > > >A couple things to consider. > > >1. How many Android phones are running on the Verizion network alone? > >I don't know, but suspect it is quite a bit lower than iPhones on AT&T > > More than enough for complaints to surface. Droid has been hot. > > >2. Reports are that most Android phone users aren't buying many > >additional apps. If that is so, does that impact? > > What reports? > http://larvalabs.com/blog/android/android-market-payouts-total-2-of-app-stores-1b/ > -- > John > > "Assumption is the mother of all screw ups." > [Wetherns Law of Suspended Judgement]
From: KDT on 10 Aug 2010 20:50 On Aug 8, 11:53 am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:34:21 -0400, in > <znu-A77FF2.11342008082...(a)Port80.Individual.NET>, ZnU > > > > <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > >In article <4iit56lonjtsmk04cd357uppkqoi2ep...(a)4ax.com>, > > John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > >> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:09:57 -0400, in > >> <znu-6A80F1.11095708082...(a)Port80.Individual.NET>, ZnU > >> <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > >> >In article <s9gt56pusp7qj8ui39t376ba8uv627d...(a)4ax.com>, > >> > John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > >> >> On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:17:49 -0400, in > >> >> <znu-EC978A.18174907082...(a)Port80.Individual.NET>, ZnU > >> >> <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > >> >> >In article <0fir569ng2c2k6seobom2mnubitl9jo...(a)4ax.com>, > >> >> > Jeff Liebermann <je...(a)cruzio.com> wrote: > > >> >> >> On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 06:02:13 -0400, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > >> >> >[snip] > > >> >> >> >If you look at the application sales estimates, it's not > >> >> >> >clear that users even understand Android as a platform; > > >> >> >> I don't see the connection. If app sales were higher, it would not > >> >> >> necessarily create a better understanding of the OS by the users.. > > >> >> >I'm speculating that the cause/effect relationship runs in the _other_ > >> >> >direction. That users aren't buying Android apps in large numbers > >> >> >because many don't understand that a) their phones can actually run apps > >> >> >and this is useful and that b) they'll be able to take their apps with > >> >> >them to other Android phones in the future. > > >> >> That wouldn't seem likely, what with: > >> >> (a) heavy promotion of Android apps (e.g., Verizon ads) > >> >> (b) similar app experience between Android and iPhone, > >> >> (c) multitasking in all Androids, and > >> >> (d) heavier data consumption by Android than by iPhone > >> >> <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38456202/ns/technology_and_science-wireless/>. > > >> >http://larvalabs.com/blog/android/android-market-payouts-total-2-of-a.... > >> >tores-1b/ > > >> <http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/2275-consumers-find-more-fre.... > >> n-android-phones> > > >That difference fails to account for such a large gap. Actually, I'd see > >it as evidence that a larger fraction of Android apps are hobbyist > >projects. Which we'd expect anyway, because the barriers to entry are > >much lower. > > Nothing wrong with that -- Android is getting the best of both worlds. > > >You don't need a Mac to write Android apps, and they're > >written in Java, which is a more widely used language than Obj-C. > > Benefits of the Android model. > > >In the long run, a platform which actually allows professional > >developers to make money from their apps is going to get much better > >apps. > > Available evidence suggests otherwise; e.g., > <http://www.gomonews.com/android-go-boom-mobile-analytics-points-to-ex...> > > -- Development by *hobbyist* where are the professional apps?
From: nospam on 10 Aug 2010 20:51 In article <d55c21a4-3f14-43a5-8aeb-c71c0128e61b(a)p7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, KDT <scarface_74(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >2. �Reports are that most Android phone users aren't buying many > > >additional apps. �If that is so, does that impact? > > > > What reports? > > http://larvalabs.com/blog/android/android-market-payouts-total-2-of-app-stores- > 1b/ one major issue is that apps can only be sold in 13 out of 46 countries where android is available. that puts a bit of a dent in sales.
From: KDT on 10 Aug 2010 21:44 On Aug 10, 12:32 pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > Sprint is a _little_ cheaper, but not that much. They have an unlimited > tax/text/data plan for $99 -- but tethering is an extra $30, and if you > wanted to add a second data-only device like an iPad (not that the iPad > works, because Sprint is CDMA) there's no reasonable way to do that -- > you'd have to get a whole separate data-only plan for $60/month for 5 GB. Well, actually if you don't care about calling land lines, Sprint charges $69 for unlimited mobile to mobile calls (any network), 450 minutes prime, unlimited nights and weekends starting at 7, unlimited data, and unlimited text. Alternatively, if you buy one of the 4G phones, you pay $80 for the same plan and $30 for tethering -- unlimited 4G *and* 3G - $110 http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/33866 > > So Sprint ends of actually being $190/month -- well over $200 with taxes > and fees. > > So basically, prices are _twice_ as high in the US, _and_ you still get > less (capped data), _and_ you have to navigate around the fact that > there are three different incompatible standards here (AT&T's GSM on > normal frequencies, T-Mobile's GSM on quirky frequencies, and Sprint and > Version on CDMA.) > > I would say "fucked up" is, in fact, a pretty good description of the US > cellular market. > > -- > "The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to > anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it > must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
From: KDT on 10 Aug 2010 21:48
On Aug 10, 6:15 pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > With Sprint as well, for tethering and data-only plans. Sprint will > basically only give you uncapped data to a handset, because they know > it's really hard to actually use it there. > The 4G tethering plans (HTC Evo and soon Samsung) are unlimited 3G/4G. |