From: nospam on
In article <dp64665k7esep6tat46b52cathp3dr8jn5(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >Beyond that, I don't recall too many with bare antennas. The Ericsson
> >T39m, for example, has a plastic cap (read: a case) over the antenna:
> >
> >http://www.mobilmania.cz/Files/Obrazky/art19/EricssonT39m/O/04.jpg
>
> An optional extendable antenna (Ericsson IAT-10) was available for the
> T39m. Looked and worked almost the same as the standard stubby when
> retracted. Outperformed every other cell phones I've owned when
> extended. (Can't find a picture, sorry.)

in other words, the built-in antenna had a flaw.
From: KDT on
On Aug 10, 9:55 pm, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:50:37 -0700 (PDT), in
> <a7f99870-11a3-46d0-86a3-21cad810b...(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, KDT
>
> <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 8, 11:53 am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:34:21 -0400, in
> >> >In the long run, a platform which actually allows professional
> >> >developers to make money from their apps is going to get much better
> >> >apps.
>
> >> Available evidence suggests otherwise; e.g.,
> >> <http://www.gomonews.com/android-go-boom-mobile-analytics-points-to-ex....>
>
> >Development by *hobbyist* where are the professional apps?
>
> They are there too, although I personally don't care where good apps
> come from -- by far the best sailboat racing app on any mobile platform
> was written by a "hobbyist" sailboat racer, not a professional.

Where? Have you compared the top apps on the Android Market and on the
Apple App store? I have an HTC Hero and an iPod Touch. The
difference in the quality of the top apps aren't even comparable.
From: KDT on
On Aug 10, 9:49 pm, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:46:38 -0700 (PDT), in
> <d55c21a4-3f14-43a5-8aeb-c71c0128e...(a)p7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, KDT
>
>
>
> <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 6, 11:31 am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 19:29:24 -0500, in
> >> <lloydparsons-257D54.19292405082...(a)idisk.mac.com>, Lloyd Parsons
>
> >> <lloydpars...(a)mac.com> wrote:
> >> >In article <kvim565pseig2p2b8nh462eiqerfta9...(a)4ax.com>,
> >> > John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> >> True, but Android phones on AT&T <http://goo.gl/EyTr> aren't generating
> >> >> complaints the way iPhone has and still is.
>
> >> >A couple things to consider.
>
> >> >1.  How many Android phones are running on the Verizion network alone?  
> >> >I don't know, but suspect it is quite a bit lower than iPhones on AT&T
>
> >> More than enough for complaints to surface.  Droid has been hot.
>
> >> >2.  Reports are that most Android phone users aren't buying many
> >> >additional apps.  If that is so, does that impact?
>
> >> What reports?
>
> >http://larvalabs.com/blog/android/android-market-payouts-total-2-of-a...
>
> That's money, not apps.  Far more Android apps are free than iPhone
> apps.  And Verizon Android users consume more data than iPhone users:
> <http://goo.gl/BmBi>
>
> --
> John
>
> "Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
> [Wethern’s Law of Suspended Judgement]

So do you really think major developers are going to invest real money
in *quality* apps for the Android with that kind of payout?
From: nospam on
In article
<02fb76ae-5250-46dc-afc9-92a1771959ee(a)p7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, KDT
<scarface_74(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> > >Development by *hobbyist* where are the professional apps?
> >
> > They are there too, although I personally don't care where good apps
> > come from -- by far the best sailboat racing app on any mobile platform
> > was written by a "hobbyist" sailboat racer, not a professional.
>
> Where? Have you compared the top apps on the Android Market and on the
> Apple App store? I have an HTC Hero and an iPod Touch. The
> difference in the quality of the top apps aren't even comparable.

there are some exceptions, but overall that's very true. iphone is
where developers are spending their development efforts.
From: KDT on
On Aug 10, 9:53 pm, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:44:15 -0700 (PDT), in
> <710b642d-0b93-43a6-a3c1-c681d112b...(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, KDT
>
>
>
> <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 5, 7:52 pm, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:21:34 -0500, in
> >> <lloydparsons-CEA3F6.15213405082...(a)idisk.mac.com>, Lloyd Parsons
> >> >As to Android, yes they are selling lots these days, but the numbers are
> >> >still small compared to the number of active iPhones,
>
> >> Depends on your definition of "small" -- 8.7 million Android handsets
> >> here in the U.S. compared with 10.7 million iPhones according to
> >> Quantcast.
>
> >> >and it is spread
> >> >among providers.
>
> >> True, but Android phones on AT&T <http://goo.gl/EyTr> aren't generating
> >> complaints the way iPhone has and still is.
> >Who is actually buying an Android device on AT&T?  The Motorala
> >devices haven't exactly been breaking records.
>
> "Is AT&T Selling Weak Android Phones to Make iPhone 4 Look Better?"
> <http://goo.gl/C8HG>
>
> --
> John
>
> "Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
> [Wethern’s Law of Suspended Judgement]

<sarcasm>Yeah because *every* company wants to cede power to a single
vendor, especially one as easy to work with as Apple. I'm sure that
AT&T would much rather deal with Apple that basically treats AT&T like
a dumb pipe than deal with Android phones where AT&T gets to tell
vendors how the phones will work and force crapware on the phones and
they can pay a lower subsidy.</sarcasm>