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From: John Navas on 4 Aug 2010 11:33 On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:48:45 -0700, in <alangbaker-C8C738.07484504082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >In article <aa2i56h9v7gmjvosb0o3it5krpge8hv9nm(a)4ax.com>, > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >> >You are taking a position. >> >> Nope. > >Yup. > >> >You're taking the position that products other than the iPad with the >> >same operational temperature limits are actually better than the iPd. >> >> Nope. > >Yup. You're badly confused. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Or do you just bash everyone not cheering for Apple? Whatever, I'll try one last time to make it clear: 1. I have no personal interest in the iPad because it does not fit my own needs (whether well engineered or not). 2. I started this thread only because it's a relevant item of interest. 3. I have no experience with the alleged iPad overheating issue. 4. I have no opinion about the alleged iPad overheating problem. 5. I know many comparable products that do not have the alleged issue. 6. I know that actual thermal performance is often considerably different from published specs, usually better, sometimes worse. 7. I know that some past Apple products have had thermal issues. This is based on relevant professional and personal experience. Now please give it a rest. Thanks. -- John "Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience." -Dr. Alan Zimmerman
From: John Navas on 4 Aug 2010 11:37 On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 03:13:41 -0700 (PDT), in <0da5286b-244d-4ab4-908b-b13a6f33bb78(a)w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>, -hh <recscuba_google(a)huntzinger.com> wrote: >On Aug 4, 2:09�am, nospam <nos...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: >> In article <u50i569h5u92au1gqlmlk4f6qe7g7lh...(a)4ax.com>, John Navas >> >> <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >> > >> What part of "It's not my allegation" do you not understand? >> >> > >What part of "you're defending one half and hiding behind 'it's not my >> > >allegation' for the other half" do *you* not understand. >> >> > What part of I'm-not-taking-any-position do you not understand? >> >> you said apple had shoddy engineering, despite other companies having >> products with the same specs. it's *your* statement and it's called >> hypocrisy. I said nothing of the sort. >> > iFans tend to see anything other than praise as an attack. >> >> pejorative remarks means you have no substance. it's your standard >> 'out.' That's not pejorative. Check the definition. >> > You need to broaden your horizons, and not be so defensive. >> >> actually, it's you who needs to do that. > >This kind of trolling is par for the course for John Navas. >John is notoriously untruthful in the rec.photo* forums. >Slap him, then ignore him. Translation: I don't buy into the bashing of compact digital cameras by those who wrongly claim a dSLR makes for a better photographer. Back into the kill filter you go. -- John "Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience." -Dr. Alan Zimmerman
From: Alan Baker on 4 Aug 2010 11:39 In article <p21j565np9a09puppdng9d461lqc70dqqp(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:48:45 -0700, in > <alangbaker-C8C738.07484504082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker > <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > > >In article <aa2i56h9v7gmjvosb0o3it5krpge8hv9nm(a)4ax.com>, > > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > >> >You are taking a position. > >> > >> Nope. > > > >Yup. > > > >> >You're taking the position that products other than the iPad with the > >> >same operational temperature limits are actually better than the iPd. > >> > >> Nope. > > > >Yup. > > You're badly confused. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? > Or do you just bash everyone not cheering for Apple? > > Whatever, I'll try one last time to make it clear: > > 1. I have no personal interest in the iPad because it does not fit my > own needs (whether well engineered or not). 'I've never had this kind of thermal issue with a cell phone or an Acer netbook even in pretty harsh conditions. The apologies here, starting with the "technical" nonsense posted by Steven, are a sorry commentary on Apple engineering.' That is taking a position. > > 2. I started this thread only because it's a relevant item of interest. > > 3. I have no experience with the alleged iPad overheating issue. > > 4. I have no opinion about the alleged iPad overheating problem. Then what you said to begin your participation in this thread makes no sense. > 5. I know many comparable products that do not have the alleged issue. And yet declare something that you now say you're not claiming happens a "sorry commentary on Apple engineering"... > 6. I know that actual thermal performance is often considerably > different from published specs, usually better, sometimes worse. > > 7. I know that some past Apple products have had thermal issues. > > This is based on relevant professional and personal experience. > > Now please give it a rest. Thanks. Any time you want to stop replying, please feel free. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 4 Aug 2010 11:40 In article <g32j56le6lu0tusn9n0d63on22nbcan7ve(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 03:13:41 -0700 (PDT), in > <0da5286b-244d-4ab4-908b-b13a6f33bb78(a)w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>, -hh > <recscuba_google(a)huntzinger.com> wrote: > > >On Aug 4, 2:09�am, nospam <nos...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> In article <u50i569h5u92au1gqlmlk4f6qe7g7lh...(a)4ax.com>, John Navas > >> > >> <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> > >> What part of "It's not my allegation" do you not understand? > >> > >> > >What part of "you're defending one half and hiding behind 'it's not my > >> > >allegation' for the other half" do *you* not understand. > >> > >> > What part of I'm-not-taking-any-position do you not understand? > >> > >> you said apple had shoddy engineering, despite other companies having > >> products with the same specs. it's *your* statement and it's called > >> hypocrisy. > > I said nothing of the sort. You said it was a "sorry commentary on Apple engineering". To say that, you must believe the allegation. > > >> > iFans tend to see anything other than praise as an attack. > >> > >> pejorative remarks means you have no substance. it's your standard > >> 'out.' > > That's not pejorative. Check the definition. > > >> > You need to broaden your horizons, and not be so defensive. > >> > >> actually, it's you who needs to do that. > > > >This kind of trolling is par for the course for John Navas. > >John is notoriously untruthful in the rec.photo* forums. > >Slap him, then ignore him. > > Translation: I don't buy into the bashing of compact digital cameras by > those who wrongly claim a dSLR makes for a better photographer. > > Back into the kill filter you go. The first refuge of the weak-minded. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: nospam on 4 Aug 2010 11:49
In article <p21j565np9a09puppdng9d461lqc70dqqp(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > You're badly confused. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? > Or do you just bash everyone not cheering for Apple? while i can't speak for alan, in my opinion, the bashing comes from your hypocrisy, double-standards and outright lies. > Whatever, I'll try one last time to make it clear: > > 1. I have no personal interest in the iPad because it does not fit my > own needs (whether well engineered or not). that's fine. it's not intended to fit everyone's needs. > 2. I started this thread only because it's a relevant item of interest. but you just said you have no interest in the ipad. > 3. I have no experience with the alleged iPad overheating issue. so now it's alleged? backpedal much? > 4. I have no opinion about the alleged iPad overheating problem. yes you most certainly do have an opinion about it, going so far as to say that it's a 'sorry commentary on apple engineering.' > 5. I know many comparable products that do not have the alleged issue. if you are going to call it alleged, that must mean there's no actual evidence to prove it, so why do you persist in claiming there's a problem? agenda? > 6. I know that actual thermal performance is often considerably > different from published specs, usually better, sometimes worse. including the ipad. > 7. I know that some past Apple products have had thermal issues. really? which ones? be specific. > This is based on relevant professional and personal experience. no, it's based on your agenda. > Now please give it a rest. Thanks. translated: cornered again, this must stop before i embarrass myself further. |