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From: Alan Baker on 4 Aug 2010 12:01 In article <313j56tbr3ghik2cfsff1b5b07l4d2dgmk(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:39:16 -0700, in > <alangbaker-77569C.08391604082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker > <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > > >In article <p21j565np9a09puppdng9d461lqc70dqqp(a)4ax.com>, > > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > >> 1. I have no personal interest in the iPad because it does not fit my > >> own needs (whether well engineered or not). > > > >'I've never had this kind of thermal issue with a > >cell phone or an Acer netbook even in pretty harsh conditions. The > >apologies here, starting with the "technical" nonsense posted by Steven, > >are a sorry commentary on Apple engineering.' > > > >That is taking a position. > > Indeed, but on the *apologies*, not on the engineering itself, > on which I have no opinion. Does that help? Really? Where are these "apologies" mentioned and how can they be a "sorry commentary" on anything if the underlying condition is unknown in your mind? > > >> 4. I have no opinion about the alleged iPad overheating problem. > > > >Then what you said to begin your participation in this thread makes no > >sense. > > My only comment was that the issue is reminiscent of the fanless Mac. > It is. No, actually. That was not your "only comment". In fact, until this moment, it was a comment of yours at all. > > >> 5. I know many comparable products that do not have the alleged issue. > > > >And yet declare something that you now say you're not claiming happens a > >"sorry commentary on Apple engineering"... > > Again, I'm commenting about the "commentary", not the engineering. > You really need to read more carefully, instead of dashing off another > knee jerk bash. If someone accuses you of being nasty to children and small dogs, and I pronounce it a "sorry commentary on your character", it shows agreement with the original accusation. > > >> 6. I know that actual thermal performance is often considerably > >> different from published specs, usually better, sometimes worse. > >> > >> 7. I know that some past Apple products have had thermal issues. > >> > >> This is based on relevant professional and personal experience. > >> > >> Now please give it a rest. Thanks. > > > >Any time you want to stop replying, please feel free. > > So you're trying to bash me into submission? Nope. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: nospam on 4 Aug 2010 12:02 In article <tb3j56lmhbi7h6u0im8jagceego5ksck45(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> >> you said apple had shoddy engineering, despite other companies having > >> >> products with the same specs. it's *your* statement and it's called > >> >> hypocrisy. > >> > >> I said nothing of the sort. > > > >You said it was a "sorry commentary on Apple engineering". To say that, > >you must believe the allegation. > > Nope. You're making an assumption that's neither warranted nor true. they're *your* words. > >> Translation: I don't buy into the bashing of compact digital cameras by > >> those who wrongly claim a dSLR makes for a better photographer. > >> > >> Back into the kill filter you go. > > > >The first refuge of the weak-minded. > > The childish response of an iFan. standard navas quote: 'Those who have evidence will present their evidence, whereas those who do not have evidence will attack the man.'
From: Alan Baker on 4 Aug 2010 12:02 In article <tb3j56lmhbi7h6u0im8jagceego5ksck45(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:40:39 -0700, in > <alangbaker-65B05E.08403904082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker > <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > > >In article <g32j56le6lu0tusn9n0d63on22nbcan7ve(a)4ax.com>, > > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 03:13:41 -0700 (PDT), in > >> <0da5286b-244d-4ab4-908b-b13a6f33bb78(a)w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>, -hh > >> <recscuba_google(a)huntzinger.com> wrote: > > >> >> you said apple had shoddy engineering, despite other companies having > >> >> products with the same specs. it's *your* statement and it's called > >> >> hypocrisy. > >> > >> I said nothing of the sort. > > > >You said it was a "sorry commentary on Apple engineering". To say that, > >you must believe the allegation. > > Nope. You're making an assumption that's neither warranted nor true. I'll tell you what: you rewrite your original sentence with that phrase in it and show how it could not lead one to understand that you believe the underlying allegation... > > >> Translation: I don't buy into the bashing of compact digital cameras by > >> those who wrongly claim a dSLR makes for a better photographer. > >> > >> Back into the kill filter you go. > > > >The first refuge of the weak-minded. > > The childish response of an iFan. LOL -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 4 Aug 2010 12:03 In article <040820100857476252%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <g32j56le6lu0tusn9n0d63on22nbcan7ve(a)4ax.com>, John Navas > <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> What part of "It's not my allegation" do you not understand? > > >> > > >> > >What part of "you're defending one half and hiding behind 'it's not my > > >> > >allegation' for the other half" do *you* not understand. > > >> > > >> > What part of I'm-not-taking-any-position do you not understand? > > >> > > >> you said apple had shoddy engineering, despite other companies having > > >> products with the same specs. it's *your* statement and it's called > > >> hypocrisy. > > > > I said nothing of the sort. > > actually, you did. > > In article <l6ig569fjhpfb83o2t1jtsbnu1tq2bja45(a)4ax.com>, John Navas > <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > They do? Which ones? I've never had this kind of thermal issue with a > > cell phone or an Acer netbook even in pretty harsh conditions. The > > apologies here, starting with the "technical" nonsense posted by Steven, > > are a sorry commentary on Apple engineering. > > note the last sentence, 'sorry commentary on apple engineering.' > > ok you didn't say the word shoddy but you certainly implied it. > > > >> > iFans tend to see anything other than praise as an attack. > > >> > > >> pejorative remarks means you have no substance. it's your standard > > >> 'out.' > > > > That's not pejorative. Check the definition. > > of course it isn't pejorative when you refer to apple fans as ifans, > but if someone dares calls a camera a point and shoot, something that > many camera stores and even some camera makers do, you say it's > pejorative. hypocrisy at its finest. > > > >> > You need to broaden your horizons, and not be so defensive. > > >> > > >> actually, it's you who needs to do that. > > > > > >This kind of trolling is par for the course for John Navas. > > >John is notoriously untruthful in the rec.photo* forums. > > >Slap him, then ignore him. > > > > Translation: I don't buy into the bashing of compact digital cameras by > > those who wrongly claim a dSLR makes for a better photographer. > > nobody claimed that it made for a better photographer. why do you > resort to lies? > > what they claimed that a higher quality camera (i.e., large sensor, > better optics) will produce a higher quality image than a lower quality > camera (i.e., small sensor, cheap lens), and that's governed by the > laws of physics. > > > Back into the kill filter you go. > > coward. Replied so that John can see. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: John Navas on 4 Aug 2010 12:19
On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:01:29 -0700, in <alangbaker-E62819.09012904082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >In article <313j56tbr3ghik2cfsff1b5b07l4d2dgmk(a)4ax.com>, > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >> My only comment was that the issue is reminiscent of the fanless Mac. >> It is. > >No, actually. That was not your "only comment". In fact, until this >moment, it was a comment of yours at all. Like the rest of your reply, which I've snipped for brevity and to avoid needless repetition, this is dead wrong. Message-ID: <0cdv46dcsjfutuli24iagp60u1sjrva53g(a)4ax.com>: >... >COMMENT: Shades of the fanless Mac. Apology accepted. -- John "Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience." -Dr. Alan Zimmerman |