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From: Who Dat? on 4 Aug 2010 21:09 On 8/4/2010 9:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote: > In article<90o6o.49749$xZ2.44301(a)newsfe07.iad>, > John Slade<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote: > >> On 7/29/2010 6:11 AM, SMS wrote: >>> News wrote: >>>> John Navas wrote: >>>>> Apple's iPad can shut down if it gets too hot, and Jacob Baltazar, >>>>> Claudia Keller, and John Browning are as mad as hell and aren't going to >>>>> take it anymore. >>>>> >>>>> Those unhappy iPadders have filed suit against Apple � and they're >>>>> asking the court to elevate their claim to class-action status. >>>>> >>>>> Their lawsuit, filed in the US District Court, Northern District of >>>>> California, alleges that "the iPad overheats so quickly under common >>>>> weather conditions that it does not function for prolonged use either >>>>> outdoors, or in many other warm conditions." >>>>> >>>>> ... >>>> >>>> >>>> So what's the problem? Makes a great coffee cup warmer. >>>> >>> >>> I worked on the Microsoft Tablet reference design and the Compaq TC1000 >>> tablet. The thermal engineering was very difficult, much more so than a >>> laptop. It has to work in both orientations, it has to be cool enough to >>> hold comfortably, and it has to be quiet. The initial goal was not to >>> have a fan, but there was no way to cool it under all possible >>> circumstances without the occasional use of a fan, unless we lowered the >>> processor speed to a level where the performance was severely impacted. >>> It was a much thicker tablet with more vent holes than the iPad. When I >>> saw the iPad I was impressed that they had been able to design it as >>> they had and still been able to deal with all the thermal issues. >>> >>> There are software workarounds for thermal issues. You run the processor >>> slower as the temperature goes up. It's not ideal, but it will work. >>> Probably the thermal profiles need to be tuned to prevent these shutdowns. >> >> To me this is yet another clear cut case where a device has >> been produced without allowing technology to catch up. There >> should be no compromises for using an iPad or any tablet/netbook >> in sunlight. They should have tested it in the sunlight. They >> could have made it thicker with better cooling. But no, they >> wanted thin and cute rather than a little thicker and practical. >> >> John > > How would making it thicker have given it better cooling? > You wear clueless well. It's you.
From: Alan Baker on 4 Aug 2010 21:11 In article <RN6dnXr_QtXaksfRnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>, Who Dat? <Who.Dat?@Outasite.eh?> wrote: > On 8/4/2010 9:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote: > > In article<90o6o.49749$xZ2.44301(a)newsfe07.iad>, > > John Slade<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote: > > > >> On 7/29/2010 6:11 AM, SMS wrote: > >>> News wrote: > >>>> John Navas wrote: > >>>>> Apple's iPad can shut down if it gets too hot, and Jacob Baltazar, > >>>>> Claudia Keller, and John Browning are as mad as hell and aren't going to > >>>>> take it anymore. > >>>>> > >>>>> Those unhappy iPadders have filed suit against Apple � and they're > >>>>> asking the court to elevate their claim to class-action status. > >>>>> > >>>>> Their lawsuit, filed in the US District Court, Northern District of > >>>>> California, alleges that "the iPad overheats so quickly under common > >>>>> weather conditions that it does not function for prolonged use either > >>>>> outdoors, or in many other warm conditions." > >>>>> > >>>>> ... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> So what's the problem? Makes a great coffee cup warmer. > >>>> > >>> > >>> I worked on the Microsoft Tablet reference design and the Compaq TC1000 > >>> tablet. The thermal engineering was very difficult, much more so than a > >>> laptop. It has to work in both orientations, it has to be cool enough to > >>> hold comfortably, and it has to be quiet. The initial goal was not to > >>> have a fan, but there was no way to cool it under all possible > >>> circumstances without the occasional use of a fan, unless we lowered the > >>> processor speed to a level where the performance was severely impacted. > >>> It was a much thicker tablet with more vent holes than the iPad. When I > >>> saw the iPad I was impressed that they had been able to design it as > >>> they had and still been able to deal with all the thermal issues. > >>> > >>> There are software workarounds for thermal issues. You run the processor > >>> slower as the temperature goes up. It's not ideal, but it will work. > >>> Probably the thermal profiles need to be tuned to prevent these shutdowns. > >> > >> To me this is yet another clear cut case where a device has > >> been produced without allowing technology to catch up. There > >> should be no compromises for using an iPad or any tablet/netbook > >> in sunlight. They should have tested it in the sunlight. They > >> could have made it thicker with better cooling. But no, they > >> wanted thin and cute rather than a little thicker and practical. > >> > >> John > > > > How would making it thicker have given it better cooling? > > > > > You wear clueless well. It's you. Illuminated us! But I'm guessing you can't. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Todd Allcock on 4 Aug 2010 21:06 At 04 Aug 2010 10:24:42 -0700 nospam wrote: > In article <Xns9DCA81EDF5279noonehomecom(a)74.209.131.13>, Larry > <noone(a)home.com> wrote: > > > Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in news:alangbaker- > > AEFBA1.13232503082010(a)news.shawcable.com: > > > > > Can you show that iPads have the alleged issue? > > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20011873-260.html > > > > http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/07/class-action-lawsuit-filed- > > over-overheating-ipads.ars > > links for lawsuits snipped. > > > where are the thermal tests? how hot does it get? at what temperature > is the warning given? what *is* it's real world operating temperature > limits? > > oh right, you don't have any *actual* evidence, just more idiocy. Well, to be fair, when Anandtech served up similar tests for the iPhone 4 death grip issue you dismissed them with an "all phones do that," so why would we assume you'd treat any third-party thermal tests any differently. I'm sure Steve will serve up videos of other computers shutting down after 15 minutes in a slow oven as proof that this too is a non-issue... ;)
From: Who Dat? on 4 Aug 2010 21:18 On 8/4/2010 9:11 PM, Alan Baker wrote: > In article<RN6dnXr_QtXaksfRnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>, > Who Dat?<Who.Dat?@Outasite.eh?> wrote: > >> On 8/4/2010 9:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote: >>> In article<90o6o.49749$xZ2.44301(a)newsfe07.iad>, >>> John Slade<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/29/2010 6:11 AM, SMS wrote: >>>>> News wrote: >>>>>> John Navas wrote: >>>>>>> Apple's iPad can shut down if it gets too hot, and Jacob Baltazar, >>>>>>> Claudia Keller, and John Browning are as mad as hell and aren't going to >>>>>>> take it anymore. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Those unhappy iPadders have filed suit against Apple � and they're >>>>>>> asking the court to elevate their claim to class-action status. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Their lawsuit, filed in the US District Court, Northern District of >>>>>>> California, alleges that "the iPad overheats so quickly under common >>>>>>> weather conditions that it does not function for prolonged use either >>>>>>> outdoors, or in many other warm conditions." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So what's the problem? Makes a great coffee cup warmer. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I worked on the Microsoft Tablet reference design and the Compaq TC1000 >>>>> tablet. The thermal engineering was very difficult, much more so than a >>>>> laptop. It has to work in both orientations, it has to be cool enough to >>>>> hold comfortably, and it has to be quiet. The initial goal was not to >>>>> have a fan, but there was no way to cool it under all possible >>>>> circumstances without the occasional use of a fan, unless we lowered the >>>>> processor speed to a level where the performance was severely impacted. >>>>> It was a much thicker tablet with more vent holes than the iPad. When I >>>>> saw the iPad I was impressed that they had been able to design it as >>>>> they had and still been able to deal with all the thermal issues. >>>>> >>>>> There are software workarounds for thermal issues. You run the processor >>>>> slower as the temperature goes up. It's not ideal, but it will work. >>>>> Probably the thermal profiles need to be tuned to prevent these shutdowns. >>>> >>>> To me this is yet another clear cut case where a device has >>>> been produced without allowing technology to catch up. There >>>> should be no compromises for using an iPad or any tablet/netbook >>>> in sunlight. They should have tested it in the sunlight. They >>>> could have made it thicker with better cooling. But no, they >>>> wanted thin and cute rather than a little thicker and practical. >>>> >>>> John >>> >>> How would making it thicker have given it better cooling? >>> >> >> >> You wear clueless well. It's you. > > Illuminated us! But I'm guessing you can't. > You're clearly quite lit.
From: nospam on 4 Aug 2010 21:27
In article <Rgo6o.63590$0A5.62606(a)newsfe22.iad>, Todd Allcock <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote: > > > > Can you show that iPads have the alleged issue? > > > > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20011873-260.html > > > > > > http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/07/class-action-lawsuit-filed- > > > over-overheating-ipads.ars > > > > links for lawsuits snipped. > > > > where are the thermal tests? how hot does it get? at what temperature > > is the warning given? what *is* it's real world operating temperature > > limits? > > > > oh right, you don't have any *actual* evidence, just more idiocy. > > Well, to be fair, when Anandtech served up similar tests for the iPhone 4 > death grip issue you dismissed them with an "all phones do that," so why > would we assume you'd treat any third-party thermal tests any > differently. I'm sure Steve will serve up videos of other computers > shutting down after 15 minutes in a slow oven as proof that this too is a > non-issue... ;) let's see the tests, and be sure to include other tablets. then we'll have *actual numbers* to compare. |