Question re Canon iP1500
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From: Mary on 9 Apr 2006 16:37 "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message news:tod_f.671$Lm5.507(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... > > "Mary" <nonon(a)nothin.com> wrote in message > news:44381fab$0$28204$6d36acad(a)titian.nntpserver.com... > > Been busy for a few days, so didn't get a chance to get back here. But > > need to ask about your message below. > > > > "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1144285405.300198.236870(a)j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> > Do y ou mean I could fix the problem of the waste ink absorber > > This part is confusing. I got Ip1500GeneralTool sent to me as I > > mentioned before, > > but none of the steps you mention above were told for me to do. My > > understaning is just to run > > the executable file and a screen comes up asking your USB Port, and I am > > not sure exactly what to put there. When I check printer details for > > port it says MPUSBPRN01, so I don't know > > if I am supposed to put in 01 or 1 . I tried both and the next step was > > to press "Main" and "Platen" and that should be all, but when I click on > > either Main or Platen, nothing at all happens. So it looks like it > > didn't work. > > I am not sure when pressing Main and Platen, if theprinter should be on. > > When I put the printer on, the green button is flashing, then it turns > > to orange flashing, then if I was to print something, the message about > > waste ink absorber comes up, press Resume and when I press Resume, I can > > print something. After that, I can print and the error message doesn't > > come up again. So where do those keystrokes above come in? > > > > Mary > > Don't keep printing! From what I've read, once the warning comes up you can > still print, but you should do the reset ASAP. If you don't do the reset > and keep printing the printer then goes into a mode where you can't > and also can't do the reset. That info comes from several postings I've > seen and not from my own experience. I hven't been printing. I am still trying to reset the printer. As far as what I've been told, when the printer is properly reset, the warning does not come up on the screen. It goes away. When I thought I was resetting the printer (which hasn't worked so far, maybe I am doing something wrong), I had to print something to see if the message goes away, for that would mean the reset worked. Mary *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***
From: Mary on 9 Apr 2006 16:38 "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144563025.903496.44480(a)i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > I don't have a very big apt. and space is an issue to some extent and on > > quite a few reviews I checked on the Canon 4000, it was mentioned that > > it was bigger than other comparable printers by some people who had > > bought it.. Its the biggest of the Pixma printers.In Staples when you > > can see all the printers on the shelf, you can notice that the > > 4200 is fairly bulky compared to a lot of other printers there and the > > 4000 is similar. I am sure there are others more bulky, but thats not > > what I am looking for > > Yes... space is actually an issue for many people, easy to forget about > it. To me the ip4000 is somewhat small, but my last printer was a big > honking laser. The epson r200 was far too big to fit on a shelf I made > specificly for the printer, which is sad as a big honking laser use to > sit there. > Still there are always options. For example you could get a shelf for > your monitor, raise it up 5 to 6 inches and have the printer live > there. I only have a one bedroom apt. My computer is in a small room and there is no room to spare. My monitor and modem sit on the top of my computer desk at a height that is best for me to view and the computer box and scanner sit on the bottom shelf of the computer desk. The desk is not that big but its fine for the size of the room. I have other furniture in the room. > > But I checked reviews of the ip1500 last night and was surprised that it is rated well in > > most reviews. I like it but didn't realize that a lot of other people do. > > Yeah, it's not a bad printer. It's only real drawback are the thimble > sized tanks. One can do alot worse. Those lexmark printers that come > free with Dell are not very good. Its too bad the ip1500 didn't have bigger tanks. > But we can assume based on your diaper warning that your past needs are > inexcess of the $50 printer, which is not shocking as those $50 > printers are geared tward families with 2.5 kids, printing letters to > Aunt Birtha and doing the odd report from time to time. It was printing all these photos that created the ink warning. I didn't know it would do that, or I would have printed most of my photos at Walmart machines. Some drug stores have them too. > > Its too bad the 4000 has that large black tank as the various colors and > > the smaller black carts are not that bad for price as some printers, but > > the big tank is $23.00 each time you have to buy it and thats Staples brand > > I think. > > http://www.islandinkjet.com/locator/results_state.php?s_Dealer_State=ON > > Island inkjets has a few locations in Toronto. They are a fill as you > wait type place... though I must admit I have NO direct experence with > them. They "would" beable to refill the ip4200 tanks without a > problem, though refilling without resetting the chip disables the ink > meter presently. I have used them before for refilling when I had an Epson a few years ago and was always running back and forth every couple of weeks. It had 3 or 4 different colors and black. That put me off printers with individual color carts. The theory is one color will go and thats all you will need to get filled or buy a compatible, and you won't have to get any more carts for a while. But it didn't work that way for me. As soon as one color went, I would go to Island inkjet, get a refill and in another week, another color would go. That happened all the time. Most of the time, the colors went around the same time. It was very annoying. In the second year the Epson started to grab too much paper at a time and created paper jams, so I took it back to STaples and got the ip1500 and vowed I would never have a printer which took individual carts. I have never had to get carts for my ip1500 every five minutes like with Epson, though it had smaller carts. Island inkjet is in several Toronto malls. Their refills were ok. On mall is about a 20 minute drive so not too far. The other malls are not near me- 40 minute drives through congested traffic. Toronto is very spread out. The epitome of urban sprawl as you would see if you ever came here. When I got the ip1500, I got compatible inks from Staples and I can't see any difference from them and the Canon brand carts and Staples brand ink is half the price of Canons. I just noticed something on Staples site when I double checked their price for the Staples large black cart for ip4000. I don't think it was there a few days ago, but it says $19.22 for a 2 pack large tank and says on the box 29 ml each. I think that must be wrong.I checked the large black tank at Staples the other day and it was $20.00 or something for one tank. I would have to check that out. Its a pretty good price if its $19.22 for two large tanks. But I also noticed in the description for the two pack, it doesn't list Pixmas as being on the compatible list for the ink cart, but its the correct BCI 3ebk number for the carts. So I don't know about that. http://www.inkdepot.biz/printer_cartridges.php?mfr=Canon&id=3807&printer=Canon+iP4000 I checked the above and prices seem reasonable. The big black cart is $6.95 which is 23 ml and colors are 15 ml. . Seems strange the big black cart is the same price as the smaller one unless I read it wrong. The color carts and small black are only $1.50 less than STaples compatibles but the large black cart is a lot cheaper, but you have to include shipping, which is $6.95. I would have to calculate if the difference in price is worth it and have to see if that 2 pack of large black cart on Staples site is a mistake. > Again... I know jack squat about these people, just posting it as a > reference to how much one can expect a compatable tank to cost for the > ip4000. So about CDN$28 for the dye(cyan magenta yellow and photo > black) and $7 for the big pigment. $35.00 total, plus $7.00 for shipping. =$42.00 - to get a proper comparison, I will have to find out about that large black tank price for the 2 pack. I didn't see that on the site the other day. > A reasonable plan whether you go ip4x00 or not is to order supplies on > the cheap and get refills localy if needed. > > > So far, the two Staples stores I've been in, have not had the > > 4000, just the 4200. They don't have the ip5000 either. The 4000 is > > only available on Staples online for $129.99. The sales guy told me > > that when they get new printer models in, they get short of room > > and have to send some printers to the Staples warehouse, then they > > become available online but not in the store, then they get sold and you > > can't get them any longer. New printers come out every 8 or 9 months > > the sales guy said. I haven't ruled out the 4000 though. But if I wait too > > long, the 4000 may not be available at STaples > > Well, I suspect that it's already in short supply, esp in Canada where > the cost of the ink is about the same as the printer... not trying to > be mean, but it seems compatables are more popular there than the > states. That is probably true in Toronto at least. I can't say for other cities here. I have no idea. In small towns or even in cities, where people have no Staples stores near them, maybe they order ink carts online. Or maybe some refill. But ink refilling here, is not all that common with people I know at least, but I am sure there are people who do refill because therer are ink refilling kits in stores like Staples and Future shop. But Staples compatibles are more popular. I think people want the convenience of getting things right away, and see that compatibles are much cheaper than brand names. The most popular place to get printer inks is Staples who have far more than other chain stores. They must do well on profits from their compatible inks, because only Future shop sell some compatible inks of their own, but nowhere near as many brands as Staples. There is a large range of printer prices, from $70.00 and up. Many people pay $130.00 or more for a better printer so in their cases, the printer cost a lot more than the carts. Printing your own photos is only catching on here in the last year. And only in the last year has Walmart put Kodak machines in to print your own. The Walmart near me only one a year or so ago, but now have 3 or 4 but not all Walmarts have them. They always seem to be busy, so they must need more. Many times things start in the US and come to Canada a couple of years later. Its always been that way. Digital cameras were popular in the US a couple of years before they were popular here and still not as popular as in the US. Lots of people here don't have digital cameras or if they have, don't print photos themselves. A lot of people just email photos, not print them. Printers are often used by home users for text and the odd color page. Many people I know including relatives here, do not even have computers, because they don't want one. I'm sure more people in the US per capital have more computers than here. We have different habits and customs than the US, and thats because we are a different country :) Also, Canadians do not shop online as much as Americans preferring to shop in stores. I saw a study and thats what they found. We are taking longer to order online and may never be as popular as in the US. Also, many people here do not print photos, but mostly email them to friends and relatives. So don't need to buy carts very often. > There was no real reason to upgrade to the ip4000 unless you wanted two > paper trays, or if it happened to be onsale for less than the cost of > the ink. CD printing is the big feature that made me buy the ip3000 in > the first place, and recently the ip5200. The i860 2003 or so. Major > changes only tend to happen after 3 years or so, esp with canon who > repackage old but good technology as new. They need to make more money somehow. Mary *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***
From: Burt on 9 Apr 2006 18:39 "Mary" <nonon(a)nothin.com> wrote in message news:4439627c$0$28224$6d36acad(a)titian.nntpserver.com... > "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1144563025.903496.44480(a)i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... /www.islandinkjet.com/locator/results_state.php?s_Dealer_State=ON >> >> Island inkjets has a few locations in Toronto. They are a fill as you >> wait type place... though I must admit I have NO direct experence with >> them. They "would" beable to refill the ip4200 tanks without a >> problem, though refilling without resetting the chip disables the ink >> meter presently. > > I have used them before for refilling when I had an Epson a few years > ago and was always running back and forth every couple of weeks. It had > 3 or 4 different colors and black. That > put me off printers with individual color carts. The theory is one color > will go and thats all you will need to get filled or buy a compatible, > and you won't have to get any more carts for a while. > But it didn't work that way for me. As soon as one color went, I would > go to Island inkjet, get a refill and in another week, another color > would go. That happened all the time. Most of the time, the colors went > around the same time. It was very annoying. In the second year the Epson > started to grab too much paper at a time and created paper jams, so I > took it back to STaples and got the ip1500 and vowed I would never have > a printer which took individual carts. I have never had to get carts for > my ip1500 every five minutes like with Epson, though it had smaller > carts. > > Island inkjet is in several Toronto malls. Their refills were ok. On > mall is about a 20 minute drive > so not too far. The other malls are not near me- 40 minute drives > through congested traffic. Toronto is very spread out. The epitome of > urban sprawl as you would see if you ever came here. When I got the > ip1500, I got compatible inks from Staples and I can't see any > difference from them and the Canon brand carts and Staples brand ink is > half the price of Canons. > > I just noticed something on Staples site when I double checked their > price for the Staples large black cart for ip4000. I don't think it was > there a few days ago, but it says $19.22 for a 2 pack large tank and > says on the box 29 ml each. I think that must be wrong.I checked the > large black tank at Staples the other day and it was $20.00 or something > for one tank. I would have to check that out. Its a pretty good price if > its $19.22 for two large tanks. But I also noticed in the description > for the two pack, it doesn't list Pixmas as being on the compatible list > for the ink cart, but its the correct BCI 3ebk number for the carts. So > I don't know about that. > > > I checked the above and prices seem reasonable. The big black cart is > $6.95 which is 23 ml and colors are 15 ml. . Seems strange the big black > cart is the same price as the smaller one unless I read it wrong. The > color carts and small black are only $1.50 less than STaples compatibles > but the large black cart is a lot cheaper, but you have to include > shipping, which is $6.95. I would have to calculate if the difference > in price is worth it and have to see if that 2 pack of large black cart > on Staples site is a mistake. > Mary - You asked, on a previous post, about the large black bci-3ebk tank. It is actually a benefit as it prints better text and has a large capacity which means less trips to get refilled, etc. The other suggestion I have for you is, regardless of which printer you have, have a full backup set of carts at home. Change them out when necessary and go to staples, or the refiller, or order on the internet, when you have more than one to replace/refill. More convenient and cuts down on the trips to the store. Most of us that refill carts have at least one backup set so we don't have to stop what we are doing to refill one cart at a time. It's the same idea, even when you buy new carts or have them refilled. If you decide on the refiller in Toronto and keep a backup set be sure to cover the outlet holes and keep the carts in a sealed container with a damp paper towel in it so they don''t dry out while you are storing them.
From: Mary on 9 Apr 2006 18:44 "Mary" <nonon(a)nothin.com> wrote in message news:... > "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message > news:tod_f.671$Lm5.507(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... > > > > "Mary" <nonon(a)nothin.com> wrote in message > > news:44381fab$0$28204$6d36acad(a)titian.nntpserver.com... > > > Been busy for a few days, so didn't get a chance to get back here. > But > > > need to ask about your message below. > > > > > > "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > news:1144285405.300198.236870(a)j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > >> > Do y ou mean I could fix the problem of the waste ink absorber > > > This part is confusing. I got Ip1500GeneralTool sent to me as I > > > mentioned before, > > > but none of the steps you mention above were told for me to do. My > > > understaning is just to run > > > the executable file and a screen comes up asking your USB Port, and > I am > > > not sure exactly what to put there. When I check printer details for > > > port it says MPUSBPRN01, so I don't know > > > if I am supposed to put in 01 or 1 . I tried both and the next step > was > > > to press "Main" and "Platen" and that should be all, but when I > click on > > > either Main or Platen, nothing at all happens. So it looks like it > > > didn't work. > > > I am not sure when pressing Main and Platen, if theprinter should be > on. > > > When I put the printer on, the green button is flashing, then it > turns > > > to orange flashing, then if I was to print something, the message > about > > > waste ink absorber comes up, press Resume and when I press Resume, I > can > > > print something. After that, I can print and the error message > doesn't > > > come up again. So where do those keystrokes above come in? > > > > > > Mary > > > > Don't keep printing! From what I've read, once the warning comes up > you can > > still print, but you should do the reset ASAP. When the warning comes up, you have to press Resume on the printer for it to print. So you don't press Resume if you don't want it to print. If you don't do the > reset > > and keep printing the printer then goes into a mode where you can't > > and also can't do the reset. That info comes from several postings > I've > > seen and not from my own experience. > > I hven't been printing. I am still trying to reset the printer. As far > as what I've been told, when the printer is properly reset, the warning > does not come up on the screen. It goes away. When I thought I was > resetting the printer (which hasn't worked so far, maybe I am doing > something wrong), I had to print something to see if the message goes > away, for that would mean the reset worked. What I meant to say is I had to press print to see if the message goes away. I am emailing with Tony. Everything has to be very exact about what to set. I am trying to get it reset ASAP. Mary *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***
From: zakezuke on 9 Apr 2006 19:20
>> Island inkjets has a few locations in Toronto. They are a fill as you >> wait type place... though I must admit I have NO direct experence with >> them. They "would" beable to refill the ip4200 tanks without a >> problem, though refilling without resetting the chip disables the ink >> meter presently. >I have used them before for refilling when I had an Epson a few years >ago and was always running back and forth every couple of weeks. It had >3 or 4 different colors and black. That >put me off printers with individual color carts. The theory is one color >will go and thats all you will need to get filled or buy a compatible, >and you won't have to get any more carts for a while. >But it didn't work that way for me. As soon as one color went, I would >go to Island inkjet, get a refill and in another week, another color >would go. That happened all the time. Most of the time, the colors went >around the same time. It was very annoying. In the second year the Epson >started to grab too much paper at a time and created paper jams, so I >took it back to STaples and got the ip1500 and vowed I would never have >a printer which took individual carts. I have never had to get carts for >my ip1500 every five minutes like with Epson, though it had smaller >carts. You could always refill as a group. I do want to stress that the ip4000 is no where near as bad as the epson as far as being wasteful. Epsons's cleaning cycle sucks up alot of ink. Having an external waste tank on mine it's amazing how much ink the cleaning cycles used. And yes, it was a case of replace 1 tank, having a few ml sucked up on all tanks, and have to replace another tank, and by the 6th one the first one was empty again... and I wasn't printing that much. Even if it only sucked up 1.5ml per cleaning cycle, the cartridges would give out with about 3ml in them, out of about 13ml. While I can't measure how much ink the ip4000 uses in it's cleaning cycle, and while there are less wasteful printers such as HP, it would not be the same experence as your epson. They are also clear so you have a damn good idea how much ink you have, where epson is totally an estimate which may or may not be correct. > I just noticed something on Staples site when I double checked their > price for the Staples large black cart for ip4000. I don't think it was > there a few days ago, but it says $19.22 for a 2 pack large tank and > says on the box 29 ml each. I think that must be wrong.I checked the > large black tank at Staples the other day and it was $20.00 or something > for one tank. I would have to check that out. Its a pretty good price if > its $19.22 for two large tanks. But I also noticed in the description > for the two pack, it doesn't list Pixmas as being on the compatible list > for the ink cart, but its the correct BCI 3ebk number for the carts. So > I don't know about that. The i860 uses the exact same head as the ip4000. That's the stuff. Though "480153" the single pack is only $7.72 and does specificly list the ip4000. 15.44 for a pair of singles vs $19.22 for 1 double pack. I've never used it. Staples.ca doesn't list their barcodes onsite so it's not possible for me to lookup the first group of digits to see who's registered to the product... in the past their ink was made by "Dataproducts". I don't think it's a price mistake. Ink doesn't cost "that" much to make, certainly not CDN $2557/gallon for the pigment black ink. CDN $8/pop leaves plenty of room for manufacturing of the tank, a foam wod, the ink, 100% profit, and Plus staple's markup. What's sad is $2557/gal is a great price for OEM. > The most popular place to get printer inks is Staples who have far more > than other chain stores. They must do well on profits from their > compatible inks, because only Future shop sell some compatible inks of > their own, but nowhere near as many brands as Staples. Given I pay, for the bulk ink, about USD$2.50/ounce which represents a couple of refills, given the fact that the canon tanks are little more than tupperware, and given the fact that the people i'm buying it from are marking up the bulk ink, we are talking "huge" bucks. > Many times things start in the US and come to Canada a couple of years > later. Its always been that way. Digital cameras were popular in the US > a couple of years before they were popular here and still not as popular > as in the US. Lots of people here don't have digital cameras or if they > have, don't print photos themselves. A lot of people just email photos, > not print them. This I find shocking. Both Shaw and Rogers did a great job of wiring the nation before 2000, back when your neighbords to the south were still puttering along at 56k seeing adverts for this new thing called "broadband" and getting tired of hearing "soon soon soon". Perhaps my opinion is slanted but Canada was a true blue hotbed for e-bayers and digital cameras, and not to speak of amature servers as both rogers and shaw didn't cap the upstreams on their modems. There was a choice... you could shell out a few grand a month for a T-1 or get cable at CDN$50/month. As far as broadband, music, and e-mailing... Canadians were in a far better position than just about anyone in the states for years. Eventually Rogers/Shaw replaced the modems with ones they could cap the upstreams... but they did so in that polite uniquely Canadian way, "Would you like us to upgrade your modem" "You would very much enjoy a modem upgrade" "Isn't your modem dusty, we'll replace it for free". > Many people I know including relatives here, do not even > have computers, because they don't want one. I'm sure more people in the > US per capital have more computers than here. We have different habits > and customs than the US, and thats because we are a different country :) > Also, Canadians do not shop online as much as Americans preferring to > shop in stores. I saw a study and thats what they found. We are taking > longer to order online and may never be as popular as in the US. Also, > many people here do not print photos, but mostly email them to friends > and relatives. So don't need to buy carts very often. Except for the fact that most of us speak mostly the same language, we get media hosts, esp sportscasters, from the same place (Toronto). But yes, there are quite a few people in the states who don't have computers... and still many locations that simply can not get broadband even in major cities. Canada was in the past better in this regard, but i've seen no recent studies on the subject. It's no Estonia or South Korea... but it's pretty decent. I'll agree there are some key differences in stores. There seems to be no issue at least in places like London Drugs selling used camera lenses, for a model of camera no longer in production but still popular. Specificly the Canon FD mount. Things like this make for good cause to go in a store. I on the other hand always check the website first to see what is at the store, check a mail order place to see if they have it for less, then make a choice to drive to a store or buy online. I was told this was odd from people visiting from Europe and i'm like "Go to the store? How quaint". I don't get everything online but for something like Camera gear, odds are I hit the webpage first... even if the store is just down the road. I would agree with you in the fact that I would "prefer" to buy ink localy. But I can't get bulk ink localy and the savings is 50% to 90% over store prices. But home printing is becoming more popular, though print stations tend to be cheaper than OEM ink. >> There was no real reason to upgrade to the ip4000 unless you wanted >> two paper trays, or if it happened to be onsale for less than the cost of >> the ink. CD printing is the big feature that made me buy the ip3000 >> in the first place, and recently the ip5200. The i860 2003 or so. Major >> changes only tend to happen after 3 years or so, esp with canon who >> repackage old but good technology as new. > They need to make more money somehow. I think of it as the if it ain't broke don't fix it approach... very much like Toyota who tend to go 5 to 10 years before changing out an engine. Rather than using an off the shelf part they make a part the standard for the shelf. What this means to a person like you is can hit the used circles for a technicaly older printer which is pretty much the same in terms of specs as a somewhat new one, or better yet ride the wave between the 9 month upgrade cycles and buy the spiffy printer when it costs no more than OEM ink. |