Question re Canon iP1500
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From: zakezuke on 9 Apr 2006 19:22 > What I meant to say is I had to press print to see if the message goes > away. I am emailing with Tony. Everything has to be very exact about > what to set. I am trying to get it reset ASAP. And the problem is while most of us know Canons well... we don't know that particular model very well. Tony is a good bet... he tends to know the finer details such as particular button presses better than my self.
From: Mary on 9 Apr 2006 21:27 "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message news:03g_f.14379$tN3.2264(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > > "Mary" <nonon(a)nothin.com> wrote in message > news:4439627c$0$28224$6d36acad(a)titian.nntpserver.com... > > "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1144563025.903496.44480(a)i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > /www.islandinkjet.com/locator/results_state.php?s_Dealer_State=ON > > > I checked the above and prices seem reasonable. The big black cart is > > $6.95 which is 23 ml and colors are 15 ml. . Seems strange the big black > > cart is the same price as the smaller one unless I read it wrong. The > > color carts and small black are only $1.50 less than STaples compatibles > > but the large black cart is a lot cheaper, but you have to include > > shipping, which is $6.95. I would have to calculate if the difference > > in price is worth it and have to see if that 2 pack of large black cart > > on Staples site is a mistake. > > > Mary - You asked, on a previous post, about the large black bci-3ebk tank. > It is actually a benefit as it prints better text and has a large capacity > which means less trips to get refilled, etc. Doesn't the small black one do the same thing? The other suggestion I have > for you is, regardless of which printer you have, have a full backup set of > carts at home. Change them out when necessary and go to staples, or the > refiller, or order on the internet, when you have more than one to > replace/refill. More convenient and cuts down on the trips to the store. I tried to do that when I used refilling before, and would be ok for a little while, but the carts didn't seem to last long and I had to start all over again. Maybe Epson uses more ink than other manufacturers or wastes more. But I would likely use compatibles and now and then they are on sale - all were $5.00 this week, so if it was Canon 4000 for example, the colors and small black would have cost me $3.46 each and I am not sure about the big black one yet. they are not very often on sale though, but you are right in keeping backups. > Most of us that refill carts have at least one backup set so we don't have > to stop what we are doing to refill one cart at a time. It's the same idea, > even when you buy new carts or have them refilled. If you decide on the > refiller in Toronto and keep a backup set be sure to cover the outlet holes > and keep the carts in a sealed container with a damp paper towel in it so > they don''t dry out while you are storing them. If it was refilling at Island Jet they used to wrap them in plastic. I don't remember them putting a damp paper towel in it though. Wouldn't the towel dry up sometimes before they got used? If its compatibles, they would store for a long time in their plastic packages I guess, since the carts have those plastic clips on the color ends. Just wondered, how long would compatibles last till they dried up? Mary *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***
From: zakezuke on 9 Apr 2006 21:51 >> Mary - You asked, on a previous post, about the large black bci-3ebk >> tank. It is actually a benefit as it prints better text and has a large >> capacity which means less trips to get refilled, etc. > Doesn't the small black one do the same thing? The small black, the bci-6 black is only used when you have anything other than plain paper selected, and even then it's only used when the blackness is 80% or higher. It is also used somewhat in duplex mode, as in when you tell the driver to automaticly flip the pages. There is some tweekyness to this, but for the most part the bci-6 black is seldom used, at a rate of... there and abouts of 3 to 4 color changes to one small black. The other thing I missed was the issue regarding big black being the same price as the small black. It's true the big black cost more to make, both because of volume and because it uses pigment rather than dye, but the price difference between 13/14ml and 25 to 29ml isn't a whole heck of alot, though it be double. Oddly enough the small black typicaly costs more per volume than the large black though technicaly it should cost less to produce. > > If you decide on the refiller in Toronto and keep a backup set be sure to cover > > the outlet holes > and keep the carts in a sealed container with a damp paper > > towel in it so they don''t dry out while you are storing them. > If it was refilling at Island Jet they used to wrap them in plastic. I > don't remember them putting a damp paper towel in it though. Wouldn't > the towel dry up sometimes before they got used? If its compatibles, > they would store for a long time in their plastic packages I guess, > since the carts have those plastic clips on the color ends. Just > wondered, how long would compatibles last till they dried up? When the towel dries, the bag becomes humid, and this helps keeping the outlet hole from becoming gunked up, but your right you should pay attention to your bit o' towel and make sure it's moist. I have no clue how long a uncapped cartridge lasts bagged with or without a towel. I keep all my tabs from the store bought tanks and tape them to the tanks. The OEM shelf life, capped with plastic covering the inlet, is somewhere in the years catagory.
From: Mary on 9 Apr 2006 22:42 "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144624801.300627.273050(a)u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... > >> Island inkjets has a few locations in Toronto. They are a fill as you > >> wait type place... though I must admit I have NO direct experence with > >> them. They "would" beable to refill the ip4200 tanks without a > >> problem, though refilling without resetting the chip disables the ink > >> meter presently. > > >I have used them before for refilling when I had an Epson a few years > >ago and was always running back and forth every couple of weeks. It had > >3 or 4 different colors and black. That > >put me off printers with individual color carts. The theory is one color > >will go and thats all you will need to get filled or buy a compatible, > >and you won't have to get any more carts for a while. > >But it didn't work that way for me. As soon as one color went, I would > >go to Island inkjet, get a refill and in another week, another color > >would go. That happened all the time. Most of the time, the colors went > >around the same time. It was very annoying. In the second year the Epson > >started to grab too much paper at a time and created paper jams, so I > >took it back to STaples and got the ip1500 and vowed I would never have > >a printer which took individual carts. I have never had to get carts for > >my ip1500 every five minutes like with Epson, though it had smaller > >carts. > > You could always refill as a group. Not sure what that means? you mean take all my carts or something at one time? I sometimes did that, but I still found I had to get them refilled a lot.I got fed up with it. > I do want to stress that the ip4000 is no where near as bad as the > epson as far as being wasteful. Epsons's cleaning cycle sucks up alot > of ink. A few people including two Staples sales people I know have mentioned Epson used a lot of ink especially in their cleaning cycles. Epson prints very nice photos though. >Having an external waste tank on mine it's amazing how much > ink the cleaning cycles used. And yes, it was a case of replace 1 > tank, having a few ml sucked up on all tanks, and have to replace > another tank, and by the 6th one the first one was empty again... and I > wasn't printing that much. Even if it only sucked up 1.5ml per > cleaning cycle, the cartridges would give out with about 3ml in them, > out of about 13ml. While I can't measure how much ink the ip4000 uses > in it's cleaning cycle, and while there are less wasteful printers such > as HP, it would not be the same experence as your epson. They are also > clear so you have a damn good idea how much ink you have, where epson > is totally an estimate which may or may not be correct. My present printer does not have clear carts, but maybe newer ones do. Do you like HP printers? How do you compare them to Canon? I noticed the other day in Staples, that all the HP printers I looked at seemed to have tri color carts and one black, and you could also buy a photo color cart as an option. > > I just noticed something on Staples site when I double checked their > > price for the Staples large black cart for ip4000. I don't think it was > > there a few days ago, but it says $19.22 for a 2 pack large tank and > > says on the box 29 ml each. I think that must be wrong.I checked the > > large black tank at Staples the other day and it was $20.00 or something > > for one tank. I would have to check that out. Its a pretty good price if > > its $19.22 for two large tanks. But I also noticed in the description > > for the two pack, it doesn't list Pixmas as being on the compatible list > > for the ink cart, but its the correct BCI 3ebk number for the carts. So > > I don't know about that. > > The i860 uses the exact same head as the ip4000. That's the stuff. I didn't know that. On the other listings for ip4000 on Staples Canada site, it specifically mentions Ip4000, but didn't for that one. > Though "480153" the single pack is only $7.72 and does specificly list > the ip4000. 15.44 for a pair of singles vs $19.22 for 1 double pack. > I've never used it. Staples.ca doesn't list their barcodes onsite so > it's not possible for me to lookup the first group of digits to see > who's registered to the product... in the past their ink was made by > "Dataproducts". Which one is 480153. I wish they would list carts only by the printer model and not numbers. Half the time I don't know what the numbers are. Is 480153 single is $7.72 or are you talking about Staples.com? Staples.ca single is $8.46 and the two pack large black is $19.22. That entry was not there the other day on Staples.ca site. I can't remember if it listed it at all. That would mean it was about $10.00 approx. each, so not much more than the color carts. The two pack does say NEW so maybe new online. In the store, I thought I looked or maybe asked the price of one large black and it was $20.00 so yes, its very surprising if the price is now $10.00. Usually the store and online prices for staples.ca are the same. Just sometimes online they have some printers not in stores, but price of carts have always been the same. That is what surprises me, and why I think it might not be correct. How could it go down from $20.00 to $10.00 when the colors are only $1.50 less.? > I don't think it's a price mistake. Ink doesn't cost "that" much to > make, Well, if it was $20.00 in the store and suddenly is $10.00 online for one cart, that is a big difference, and if prices go down, it might be a dollar or two, not $10.00. I'm sure that the large black was a lot more than the small black. the small black was $8.46 same as the color carts. certainly not CDN $2557/gallon for the pigment black ink. CDN > $8/pop leaves plenty of room for manufacturing of the tank, a foam wod, > the ink, 100% profit, and Plus staple's markup. What's sad is > $2557/gal is a great price for OEM. Not sure what you mean? By OEM you mean name brand? > > The most popular place to get printer inks is Staples who have far more > > than other chain stores. They must do well on profits from their > > compatible inks, because only Future shop sell some compatible inks of > > their own, but nowhere near as many brands as Staples. > > Given I pay, for the bulk ink, about USD$2.50/ounce which represents a > couple of refills, given the fact that the canon tanks are little more > than tupperware, and given the fact that the people i'm buying it from > are marking up the bulk ink, we are talking "huge" bucks. Do you do a lot of photo printing and have more than one printer? > > Many times things start in the US and come to Canada a couple of years > > later. Its always been that way. Digital cameras were popular in the US > > a couple of years before they were popular here and still not as popular > > as in the US. Lots of people here don't have digital cameras or if they > > have, don't print photos themselves. A lot of people just email photos, > > not print them. > > This I find shocking. How is it shocking? I was talking about digital cameras being a bit slower to catch on here, not broadband. More people like to send photos as attachments in the mail to their relatives overseas and such. I think that digital cameras in general tend to be far more convenient when they are already in .jpg form to email to people and they can print them and use up their photo paper :) > Both Shaw and Rogers did a great job of wiring > the nation before 2000, back when your neighbords to the south were > still puttering along at 56k seeing adverts for this new thing called > "broadband" and getting tired of hearing "soon soon soon". Perhaps my > opinion is slanted but Canada was a true blue hotbed for e-bayers and > digital cameras, and not to speak of amature servers as both rogers > and shaw didn't cap the upstreams on their modems. There was a choice... > you could shell out a few grand a month for a T-1 or get cable at > CDN$50/month. That was true but that is the Internet, not digital cameras which is what I thought you found shocking. > As far as broadband, music, and e-mailing... Canadians > were in a far better position than just about anyone in the states for > years. Eventually Rogers/Shaw replaced the modems with ones they > could cap the upstreams... but they did so in that polite uniquely Canadian > way, "Would you like us to upgrade your modem" "You would very much > enjoy a modem upgrade" "Isn't your modem dusty, we'll replace it for > free". You seem to know a lot about Rogers and Shaw. Most Americans know little or nothing about them. Dusty? Haha. It was never quite like that. I've only had broadband for two years. Before that I dialup for years. I've been on the internet about 9 years. I am with Rogers for broadband. They are still quite generous with the amounts they will let you download and I don't know if they have a cap on that. They did for a while, but I don't often download large files, so not sure. Rogers is the biggest broadband company in Canada, and have been in TV cable for years. I have them for my TV cable as well and used to have Shaw for a few years for TV cable, but Shaw and Rogers swapped and Rogers got all Eastern Canda and Shaw took out West where Rogers mostly was, though Rogers was in Toronto too, but now Shaw is not in Toronto at all. Their office used to be near where I live. Rogers is much bigger and into everything. They bought Skydome from whoever owned it before where National league baseball is played and now call it Rogers Centre. Shaw is doing fine out west. Their head office was always in Calgary I believe. I have Lite Internet which is about 8 times speed of dialup. It is $35.00 Can. a month. There is Ultra lite at $20.00 a month. Regular is $45.00. Bell Telephone also have a large market of high speed internet but its not available in all areas. Something to do with you need to live within a certain distance to their transmission cables or something. Not avail. where I live even though I'm in the city. Rogers got into trouble a few years ago when they did "negative billing" and billed people for services they didn't ask for, so the regulatory body, connected with the govt. slapped Rogers down and told them to give people back the money they charged some people. So Rogers were a little more careful after. I forget all the details now. I wasn't involved. So they didn't always dust off the modems as they should that time -haha. Its because of Rogers people who like to go on newsgroups had to search for a new news server. Just before Christmas, Rogers announced they were going to stop carrying Usenet because not enough people used it. Most people didn't believe that, but were stuck with Rogers' excuse. Rogers were using Giganews for news for several years and probably didn't want to pay them any longer. Thats why I have two news servers.One is free and is quite good but I haven't been able to post with them from yesterday when I get error messages, so I had to use my back up news server which has a very reasonable one time setup fee and its free after that. When I got cut off Rogers newsgroups, they put my monthly fee up $5.00 and a few weeks later, said they were going to give me faster internet. I would rather have them not put my fees up. > > Many people I know including relatives here, do not even > > have computers, because they don't want one. I'm sure more people in the > > US per capital have more computers than here. We have different habits > > and customs than the US, and thats because we are a different country :) > > Also, Canadians do not shop online as much as Americans preferring to > > shop in stores. I saw a study and thats what they found. We are taking > > longer to order online and may never be as popular as in the US. Also, > > many people here do not print photos, but mostly email them to friends > > and relatives. So don't need to buy carts very often. > > Except for the fact that most of us speak mostly the same language, we > get media hosts, esp sportscasters, from the same place (Toronto). > But > yes, there are quite a few people in the states who don't have > computers... and still many locations that simply can not get broadband > even in major cities. Canada was in the past better in this regard, > but i've seen no recent studies on the subject. It's no Estonia or > South Korea... but it's pretty decent. Yes, I quite believe that Canada was definitely better off in this regard and probably still is. Most people here who have Internet, have broadband or DSL which is high speed through the phone I think such as Bell has. Though I have to admit I don't know much about western or Eastern Canada as to how many have broadband but western Canada have Shaw so they would have broadband. It could be Canada was better off in that regard because of having a smaller population and Shaw and Rogers have always been in competition. Do you mean we are no Estonia or South Korea, or that you are? > I'll agree there are some key differences in stores. There seems to be > no issue at least in places like London Drugs selling used camera > lenses, for a model of camera no longer in production but still > popular. Specificly the Canon FD mount. Things like this make for > good cause to go in a store. I on the other hand always check the > website first to see what is at the store, check a mail order place to > see if they have it for less, then make a choice to drive to a store or > buy online. I was told this was odd from people visiting from Europe > and i'm like "Go to the store? How quaint". I don't get everything > online but for something like Camera gear, odds are I hit the webpage > first... even if the store is just down the road. We are probably quaint too as to ordering lens or camera stuff online. But you have to consider the average digital camera user use point and shoots. Camera buffs prefer big lenses and stuff. For point and shoots, there is no need to go online to buy camera stuff. no need to go online to buy a camera. There are lots of camera stores here. Before I bought mine, I went to all the camera stores like STaples, Future shop, Best buy, Blacks, Henrys. All reputable stores and all match each others prices. I like to see what I am buying and able to check how the camera looks in real life, not on an website page. > I would agree with you in the fact that I would "prefer" to buy ink > localy. But I can't get bulk ink localy and the savings is 50% to 90% > over store prices. Well, if you print a lot and have more than one printer, it would be worth it and if you have the patience and time. Can I ask where you are located in the US since you know where I am located? > But home printing is becoming more popular, though print stations tend > to be cheaper than OEM ink. You have some terms different from what we use. Print stations? We call them Kodak camera machines, or some call them Kodak Picture maker. Thats the name on them in the store. There are not nearly enough of them. Walmart have added a few, but really don't have room for them as the area wasn't made with picture maker machines, so its kind of cramped. > >> There was no real reason to upgrade to the ip4000 unless you wanted > >> two paper trays, or if it happened to be onsale for less than the cost of > >> the ink. CD printing is the big feature that made me buy the ip3000 > >> in the first place, and recently the ip5200. The i860 2003 or so. Major > >> changes only tend to happen after 3 years or so, esp with canon who > >> repackage old but good technology as new. > > > They need to make more money somehow. > > I think of it as the if it ain't broke don't fix it approach... very > much like Toyota who tend to go 5 to 10 years before changing out an > engine. Toyotas and Hondas last longer than most cars though and retain their value much longer. Rather than using an off the shelf part they make a part the > standard for the shelf. What this means to a person like you is can > hit the used circles for a technicaly older printer which is pretty > much the same in terms of specs as a somewhat new one, or better yet > ride the wave between the 9 month upgrade cycles and buy the spiffy > printer when it costs no more than OEM ink. I expect a printer to last for a few years. I expect to get the printhead from Canon tomorrow I hope. As to the refurb. unit, I would have to make up my mind this week. my warranty with Canon ends on Friday. So I either have to get the refurb. one or keep the one I have and trade it in to Staples for a new one under my extended warranty. I still haven't been able to reset my printer and wonder now that maybe it can't be reset. I've been gettind ideas from Tony but so far, no luck. The utility doesn't work as it should or I am doing it wrong, but there are not many commands, so should have been relatively simple, but hasn't worked yet. 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From: Mary on 9 Apr 2006 22:51
"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144633907.524064.112060(a)z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > >> Mary - You asked, on a previous post, about the large black bci-3ebk > >> tank. It is actually a benefit as it prints better text and has a large > >> capacity which means less trips to get refilled, etc. > > Doesn't the small black one do the same thing? > > The small black, the bci-6 black is only used when you have anything > other than plain paper selected, and even then it's only used when the > blackness is 80% or higher. It is also used somewhat in duplex mode, > as in when you tell the driver to automaticly flip the pages. There is > some tweekyness to this, but for the most part the bci-6 black is > seldom used, at a rate of... there and abouts of 3 to 4 color changes > to one small black. But even when you print colors, some black is used in the mix isn't it? and wouldn't the small black be used for this? > The other thing I missed was the issue regarding big black being the > same price as the small black. It's true the big black cost more to > make, both because of volume and because it uses pigment rather than > dye, but the price difference between 13/14ml and 25 to 29ml isn't a > whole heck of alot, though it be double. Oddly enough the small black > typicaly costs more per volume than the large black though technicaly > it should cost less to produce. I am still wondring about the large two pack black being $20.00 for two when I was pretty sure in the store that it was $20.00 for one. There is usually not that much difference in price from the store and online. they are much the same usually. > > > If you decide on the refiller in Toronto and keep a backup set be sure to cover > > > the outlet holes > and keep the carts in a sealed container with a damp paper > > > towel in it so they don''t dry out while you are storing them. > > > If it was refilling at Island Jet they used to wrap them in plastic. I > > don't remember them putting a damp paper towel in it though. Wouldn't > > the towel dry up sometimes before they got used? If its compatibles, > > they would store for a long time in their plastic packages I guess, > > since the carts have those plastic clips on the color ends. Just > > wondered, how long would compatibles last till they dried up? > > When the towel dries, the bag becomes humid, and this helps keeping the > outlet hole from becoming gunked up, but your right you should pay > attention to your bit o' towel and make sure it's moist. I have no > clue how long a uncapped cartridge lasts bagged with or without a > towel. I keep all my tabs from the store bought tanks and tape them to > the tanks. The OEM shelf life, capped with plastic covering the inlet, > is somewhere in the years catagory. So that would be the same with Staples compatibles which have plastic pieces clipped to the colors and they are in small sealed plastic bags,so they should be ok for a long time. Mary *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com *** |