Question re Canon iP1500
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From: zakezuke on 10 Apr 2006 23:14 > I think I asked you but forget, that being the case above, why wouldn't > they just have one small black cartridge like other printers? Is the > ink different? I would think the small one would print good enough. Is > it a way for Canon to make more money for more carts in the same > printer? The ink is different. The big black is pigment, the small black is dye. The big black is for plain paper and provides whatwhat water resistant text, and really good contrast. But Pigment black looks bad on glossy paper. On my ip3000 for example, on anything but plain paper it mixes cyan magenta and yellow to make black, which on basic matte paper makes for one soggy piece of paper if there is much black on it. The ip4000, and the newer canons like the 4200/5200 use a dye black so it looks the same as the colors. Matte paper doesn't get so soggy. It actually saves you money as otherwise you would be printing triple the amount of ink without it. It doesn't get used all that often, so I can't say I've noticed much of a savings, and it only gets used if the blackness is 80% or higher. It is another cartridge but only gets used about 1/4 as often as the color. I've only replaced it once on my mp760 and i've had it for a year. I've replaced the color about 8 times. It's something extra that does not get used often. Technicaly it does also get used when using duplex mode, as in when you tell the printer to flip the paper for you and print on the other side. This impoves dry time, but does add to your running costs. I don't use this feature.
From: Mary on 11 Apr 2006 00:14 "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144724742.805658.317500(a)i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > So you don't think the ip4000 uses as much ink as the Epson C64 I had? I > > thought it used a ton of ink and I didn't print photos at that time as I > > didn't have a digital camera. I would much rather have the ip15000 I now > > have than the Epson. > > There is NO way the ip4000 will use as much ink as the Epson. The > Epsons are on piezo technology which employs crystals which expand and > contract and vibrate, and though the assistance of gravity drop on the > page in the right spot. From my understanding this requires a larger > shaft and is more prone to clogging. The result is a complex pump > system to suck the ink right out of the heads to clean them. The Canon > is on thermal technology, basicly a coil in a chamber when heated. > >From my understanding not only is the shaft smaller, but because we are > dealing with an expanding gas even if it does clog, there is less clog > and more force to get rid of the clog. > > Technicaly piezo jets are where it's at as you don't have to worry so > much about chemistry... you can put just about anything through them > including molten wax.. but the base line epsons are flacky. > > Even if you were to take one cartridge and refill it, the cleaning > cycle will be leaner on the ip4000. I can't speak for the newer one > yet as i've only owned the ip5200 for about a week and haven't printed > much with it yet. Well, the ip4000 couldn't be any worse for using a ton of ink than the Epson C64 I had. It was the C64 that put me off individual ink tanks. > > You mean that HP's use more ink than the ip1500. Maybe some of Hp > > printers don't take too much ink? > > The newer hps that take inktanks, which IIRC is out of your budget, > from my understanding have an improved cleaning system which circulates > the ink rather than just tossing in a diaper. The head on the cart > style don't need to be cleaned so much as you're going to toss them > anyway. But the problem with the cheaper HPs isn't ink efficency, it's > tiny cartridges that cost a whole lot more than the ip1500... simply > put you might be better off with the ip1600 but i'd have to crunch the > numbers and see. I didn't realize the HP printers had tiny cartridges. you mean they are thimbles as you call them? Some HP printers must have bigger carts that are not too expensive. The ip1600 seemed to have expensive ink tanks when I checked before - and no compatibles. More expensive than ip4000 though the ip1600 is cheaper to buy. > > It is a better idea if they are clear and you can see when the ink goes > > down and get a shock :) - but its just as much a shock as looking at the picture on > > the screen of the how much ink is left. > > Well, at least looking at the tanks you "know' how much is left. In > the case of Epson it's totally an estimate. The ip4000 at the very > least uses a prism that alerts you when it's down to 20%, and you know > full well you have 20% left. There isn't a meter that give you scaled > levels. The ip4200 does but this would be disabled if you refill > manualy. I have no more data yet on this series... only had one for a > week. Yes, you could see what is left, but you can do that onscreen by using the printer monitor which shows a picture of whats left in carts. and that way,you don't have to take the cart out of the printer to look. I would probably end up looking at the carts though. > > From my point of view, their carts seem to be expensive. They don't have > > as many compatibles as Canon and most seem to have an integrated > > printhead and cart, which costs more right there. > > Doesn't the 4200 have the same kind of printhead and cart? that cost > > more to buy carts because of the new printhead every time. > > The ip4200 is basicly the same thing as the ip4000 as far as the carts > go, same as your ip1500 except bigger and it takes 5 tanks, clear > simple tupperware... except they include chips which keep track of how > much ink you used. Is that to discourage you from refilling them yourself? When empty it warns you three times or so before > giving you a warning "proceed at you own risk". Then it disables the > meter. There are no compatable tanks for this yet, but you can refill > the existing tanks... mail order or that fill as you wait place. What > I don't know is if you disable the meter if the prism still works... I > have not had the printer long enough. Doesn't the 4200 have head and printer carts all in one so would cost more to buy carts than one that had a printer head you could take out? > Again, there is plenty of ink for the ip4200 but no cartridges due to > the chips. Like epson I expect there will be eventually. Epson never did have a compatible for the C64, though they had some for other models. I don't know if they have more compatibles now and the name brand cost a fortune. That why I got them refilled but even then, they used a ton of ink, and I was glad when something went wrong with it in the second year as I had a Staples warranty. thats when I got the ip1500. > > I've never used an HP so can't comment. I wouldn't mind considering an > > HP, but the carts seem to be more expensive than Canons. Didn't you or > > Burt say that the Canon 4200 has no compatibles. You have to buy brand > > name? > > No compatable tanks, refilling your tanks is OK... which is rather why > we both were pushing the ip4000. It has compatable inks and tanks up > the yazoo. You will not be inkless in Toronto... where as I with my > ip5200 am inkless in seattle. Is that like Sleepless in Seattle? Isnt Seattle in the middle of silicone valley where all the computer places are? > > I notice the 4200 is much the same price as > > the 4000 in Staples. I thought I saw the 4200 on sale not long ago, but > > it kind of puts me off the printhead and cart in one makes cartridges > > more money, and no compatibles and may never be. > > the ip4200 is like your ip1600 in the fact you can remove the head... > and if it fails canon will send you a new one during the one year > warranty period. I think you meant ip 1600 above. You can remove the printhead on the 4200 and 1600, but what I got them confused with was with both of them you have to buy carts with printhead/ink cart, making the carts more expensive to buy than the 4000 which works on a printhead and ink carts only. > You just can't buy aftermarket ink at Staples *yet*. And that could be a while and no way to know. > The *only* issue is the chip on the cartridge, otherwise refilling what > you have isn't a problem, either your self or a fill as you wait or > mail order refill place. I prefer not to refill at all, but prefer compatibles and STaples here have not bad prices for compatibles and if they had more $5.00 off all Staples compatibles as they had last week would be ok. Even the 4000 Staples compatibles would only be $5.86 each. I didn't see that large 2 pack black tank in the store when I lookled last week. I just saw it online. I would have to check at a store and might look at another Staples tomorrow to see if they have any printers that other stores don't have. Most of their stores have the same printers and all have the same advertised sales, but some stores have clearance items that other stores might not have. On their website, they very seldom have any printers on sale. The ip4000 has NO such restriction but isn't > made and is in short supply. If you want compatables at Staples the > ip4000 is *the* choice. The only thing you don't seem to like about it > is the fact it takes multi-tanks rather than a tri color. You'd be > better off pricewise with the ip4000, or your existing ip1500. It's > not "as" good but it's better than most printers under $100. Yeah, the multi tank seems less tanks to think about, and its been ok on the ip1500 but I might have to get something else. I am not sure what I want to do and only have a couple of days to decide if I want to get the refurb. ip1500.. > > Nothing wrong with asking them to price match > > When I can check online what the prices are...I find it pointless. For > example I was pricing a new hard drive today. Basicly I want to redo > my server and it's ever so much easier with a new drive. I had my > choice with the local big name stores which offered good prices with > rebates, a few no name brands, or an independent shop. The indy shop > won in terms of out of pocket price, which all things being equal I > pick the indy shop though it's a 10 mile drive. Also the big name > stores try to offer the extended warranty on product which carry a very > good 3 to 5 year warranty. In this case there wouldn't be an option > for pricematching as the indy shop offers OEM products... as in > boxless. And they don't haggle. Even if I could play the price match > game... that would take time I could otherwise be spending using my > product. You can only price match certain items to be worthwhile. I shop quite a lot and because some items here are more expensive than they would be in the US, you have to price match here or wait for stuff to be on sale , for expensive items, and items you wouldn't want to pay full price for as y ou don't really need them but would like to have them. I mean such as digital cameras and some computer items. There is a lot of stores around me, so I like to research items and prices and check various stores. With my camera, I went online and did a lot of research into how to use digital cameras, then I checked various online store prices at stores local to me and eventually there was a good sale at one of the stores, so I went to Staples with my online page from a competitor and got the camera I wanted for the same price as the competitor, plus 10% (the 50% deal ended a few days before at Staples) which I didn't know about so I thought I would get some really outstanding bargain, but found out it was just 10% difference they had changed to. I heard they lost too much money from people who bought lots of the same item and sold them to other people. I bought a larger hard drive a few months ago and checked some online computer stores, which also have stores near me, but prices were much the same, so I went to the store near me and got it. I still haven't changed my stuff from my old hard drive over yet. I keep putting it off as I have tons of jpgs to go through. > > Its not a booth. Its just a screen you stand in front of. I think of a > > booth like a booth in some older restaurants, or one of these old photo > > booths - enclosures. > > Ah like a phone booth, which is rather why I call them Photo Stations. > > "What is "London Drugs Photo Station"? > London Drugs Photo Station (LDPS) is a suite of digital imaging > services, part of the high quality photo finishing available through > the One Hour Photo Division of London Drugs Limited. In reading this > FAQ web page you have already accessed the Internet portion of London > Drugs Photo Station, at ldphotostation.com. Features available on this > web site include the following:" > It would seem the Canadian term is "Photo Station", or at least the > london drugs term. We don't have London Drugs in Toronto. I guess they would be in London, Ontario which is not near Toronto. London is closer to Windsor, which is close to Detroit. They might call them this in London and some other cities and towns, but its a big country, and in Western or Eastern Canada, maybe they call them something else altogether, like pic stations :) I've only hear people say I am going to the picture machine in Walmart or wherever or I am going to print photos on one of those photo printing machines. I think people use different terms for it. We haven't had these machines all that long to get a uniform name for them. > > I already asked you where you were from. I was thinking you were Burt > > and was going to ask him where he was from. Do you go to Merida Mexico? > > Well North America is Canada, US and Mexico. > > Well "I" agree with you, but for some reason the people live down south > think of mexico as central america for some reason. I know it's > silly... but the term for English speaking neighbor is "north > american". Maybe south America sounds more interesting. > > You mean you can buy printers for $20.00 or $40.00? > > You wouldn't be able to do that here. Cheapest would be $60.00 Can. and > > that would be on sale. Most start at $70.00 for cheapest printers. The > > only one I've seen is that HP one for $50.00 (the HP 3845). I've never > > seen it in stores for a long time. Its Staples online, but I don't know > > if its any good or not. > > I mean... the ink in the printer costs about $60ish to $80ish... and > the printer it self costs $100ish to $120ish, making the spent on the > printer $20 to $40 or so. I wouldn't figure it that way. I think of the printer as one price and the ink another like separate things. > The HP 3845 will print probally about as much as the ip1500 did. about > 220 pages black. It'll cost you $30ish canadian to do it. or > 13cents/page. The ip1500 was about $10ish for 150page, or about > 6cents/page, and fact that you can get aftermarket supplies for the > ip1500, lowering your cost per page to well about a penny or two a > page. To compair the ip4000 was about 3cents/page for the name brand > ink, or about a couple pennies a page for the aftermarket staples > supplies. 3cents canadian a page is damn good, less is even beter. > Unless you can find someone to refill the HP it'll cost 5 to 10 times > as much to operate. You and Burt are total experts on ink prices and detailed calculations on various models of printers which is good for me and others who don't know as much. I don't go into all these cents a page things like you, but if the HP cost that much more to operate, I will forget about them. > HP 3845, thimble class, massive price. No good. > > The Canon Bjc 2100 was a very well made printer and was cheap - $70.00 I > > think and lasted 3 years. It printed well but I only printed a few > > scanned photos from my old camera. > > The bjc-2100 wasn't so bad, but that was then... I wouldn't expect the > ip1500 to outlast a bjc-2100. I don't know about the ip1600 as it's > just too new but if you want a printer that'll last for 3 years... > think $100 plus or minus a few bucks and careful research. Yeah, probably. The Bjc 2100 was much stronger made than the ip1500. the ip1500 is kind of plasticky, though has been ok till now. The bjc 2100 was strong metal. I still have it but the printhead is separate and it costs $70.00 for the printhead and two cartridges. it also has a large black printhead and ink combined for about $40.00 but only prints black. Maybe the printer wouldn't even work now as I haven't used it for a year. the black cart in it would be dried up long ago. it was empty. > > I wish I lived next door to you and you could have given it to me :) > > Actually staples,ca had the ip4000 for CDN$80... not as cool as US $65 > and a $20 rebate. At least Canada still has the ip4000, they are rare > suckers in the states. We don't get all the rebates you get. thats another complaint I have :) They don't need to give too many rebates here because the market doesn't demand it. But $80.00 Can. is a very good price. Its $130.00 now so big difference. So have to pay that price if that is what I decide on. So far, I've been at three Staplesl stores and none of them had the 4000. only the 4200. It seemed to me it was on sale for $100.00recently but I don't think I would buy the 4200 with no compatibles and too expensive OEM carts. > > Staples warranty is $10.00 if you buy something under $100.00. If its > > over that but up to $200.00 it doubles to $20.00. It goes up the more > > the item cost. Up to $200.00 is replacement, over that is repair. The > > ip1500 cost me $70.00 and was on sale for $10.00 off original price. > > Ok, so I can assume your printer represents $70 from staples? The head > represents $40ish on e-bay assuming you don't use it. > > > If I bought a printer for $130.00, it would cost me $60.00 more to pay > > for the printer and $20.00 for the Staples warranty. Thats quite a lot > > of money for me. I don't have a lot of money ya know :) > > Ok, so $150 if you get the staples warranty. And $70 from staples, > and > you should be able to sell the head for $40, and do someone a favor at > that. That brings you up to $110 or $40 less than the ip4000. You > could also sell the ink and get aftermarket but that's too complex to > calculate. What ink? I don't have any ink to sell. I used to sell stuff on Ebay but haven't for two years at least and when I sold stuff like hard to find videos and stuff, Paypal were not in existence, or weren't used by Ebay, so I would get money order from US people in US dollars and they were easy to cash, or some would send me US bills if not a lot of money. My stuff was always below $20.00. I never had any money go missing. people use those security type envelopes which helps. But now with Paypal, it seems complicated to me and International sellers pay a Paypal fee and my bank maybe charges when the money comes in. And I don't want to open a Paypal account, but you have to in order to sell on Ebay now. > Or.. you can get your ip1500 replaced from canon and I presume ditch > the Staples warranty. It'll probally last a year, and the aftermarket > supplies to make it reasonable to operate. What do you mean by "and the aftermarket supplies to make it reasonable to operate"? I would have to buy aftermarket supplies for whatever printer I have, or maybe you don't mean that. And yes, if I get the refurb ip1500, I only have a couple of days to make up my mind or the warranty with Canon will be over, and if I was to do that, the Staples warranty would not be valid any more. Mary
From: Mary on 11 Apr 2006 00:19 "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144725248.026431.65440(a)v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > I think I asked you but forget, that being the case above, why wouldn't > > they just have one small black cartridge like other printers? Is the > > ink different? I would think the small one would print good enough. Is > > it a way for Canon to make more money for more carts in the same > > printer? > > The ink is different. The big black is pigment, the small black is > dye. The big black is for plain paper and provides whatwhat water > resistant text, and really good contrast. But Pigment black looks bad > on glossy paper. On my ip3000 for example, on anything but plain paper > it mixes cyan magenta and yellow to make black, which on basic matte > paper makes for one soggy piece of paper if there is much black on it. > The ip4000, and the newer canons like the 4200/5200 use a dye black so > it looks the same as the colors. Matte paper doesn't get so soggy. > > It actually saves you money as otherwise you would be printing triple > the amount of ink without it. It doesn't get used all that often, so I > can't say I've noticed much of a savings, and it only gets used if the > blackness is 80% or higher. When you say when the blackness is 80% or higher, you mean if the printer is printing from a certain program and that program prints darker than 80%, the large black tank is used.? Is that what it depends on whether the large or small tank is used? It is another cartridge but only gets used > about 1/4 as often as the color. I've only replaced it once on my > mp760 and i've had it for a year. I've replaced the color about 8 > times. So most of the time you print black text, you would be using the smaller black tank and only under certain printing conditions use the large one? > It's something extra that does not get used often. Technicaly it does > also get used when using duplex mode, as in when you tell the printer > to flip the paper for you and print on the other side. This impoves > dry time, but does add to your running costs. I don't use this > feature. I don't think I ever would use a duplex mode. If you print on one side, why would you print on the other side in case where you are going to keep a photo or send one to someone? I sometimes use double sided photo paper in a semi gloss which I like, b ut if I am sending someone photos, I can't use both sides. Mary
From: measekite on 11 Apr 2006 00:31 MARY MARY Mary wrote: >"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1144725248.026431.65440(a)v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > >>>I think I asked you but forget, that being the case above, why >>> >>> >wouldn't > > >>>they just have one small black cartridge like other printers? Is >>> >>> >the > > >>>ink different? I would think the small one would print good enough. >>> >>> >Is > > >>>it a way for Canon to make more money for more carts in the same >>>printer? >>> >>> >>The ink is different. The big black is pigment, the small black is >>dye. The big black is for plain paper and provides whatwhat water >>resistant text, and really good contrast. But Pigment black looks bad >>on glossy paper. On my ip3000 for example, on anything but plain >> >> >paper > > >>it mixes cyan magenta and yellow to make black, which on basic matte >>paper makes for one soggy piece of paper if there is much black on it. >>The ip4000, and the newer canons like the 4200/5200 use a dye black so >>it looks the same as the colors. Matte paper doesn't get so soggy. >> >>It actually saves you money as otherwise you would be printing triple >>the amount of ink without it. It doesn't get used all that often, so >> >> >I > > >>can't say I've noticed much of a savings, and it only gets used if the >>blackness is 80% or higher. >> >> > >When you say when the blackness is 80% or higher, you mean if the >printer is printing from a certain program and that program prints >darker than 80%, the large black tank is used.? Is that what it depends >on whether the large or small tank is used? > > It is another cartridge but only gets used > > >>about 1/4 as often as the color. I've only replaced it once on my >>mp760 and i've had it for a year. I've replaced the color about 8 >>times. >> >> > >So most of the time you print black text, you would be using the smaller >black tank and only under certain printing conditions use the large one? > > > >>It's something extra that does not get used often. Technicaly it does >>also get used when using duplex mode, as in when you tell the printer >>to flip the paper for you and print on the other side. This impoves >>dry time, but does add to your running costs. I don't use this >>feature. >> >> > >I don't think I ever would use a duplex mode. If you print on one side, >why would you print on the other side in case where you are going to >keep a photo or send one to someone? I sometimes use double sided photo >paper in a semi gloss which I like, b ut if I am sending someone photos, >I can't use both sides. > >Mary > > >
From: measekite on 11 Apr 2006 00:31
QUITE CONTRARY Mary wrote: >"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1144724742.805658.317500(a)i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > >>>So you don't think the ip4000 uses as much ink as the Epson C64 I >>> >>> >had? I > > >>>thought it used a ton of ink and I didn't print photos at that time >>> >>> >as I > > >>>didn't have a digital camera. I would much rather have the ip15000 I >>> >>> >now > > >>>have than the Epson. >>> >>> >>There is NO way the ip4000 will use as much ink as the Epson. The >>Epsons are on piezo technology which employs crystals which expand and >>contract and vibrate, and though the assistance of gravity drop on the >>page in the right spot. From my understanding this requires a larger >>shaft and is more prone to clogging. The result is a complex pump >>system to suck the ink right out of the heads to clean them. The >> >> >Canon > > >>is on thermal technology, basicly a coil in a chamber when heated. >>>From my understanding not only is the shaft smaller, but because we >> >> >are > > >>dealing with an expanding gas even if it does clog, there is less clog >>and more force to get rid of the clog. >> >>Technicaly piezo jets are where it's at as you don't have to worry so >>much about chemistry... you can put just about anything through them >>including molten wax.. but the base line epsons are flacky. >> >>Even if you were to take one cartridge and refill it, the cleaning >>cycle will be leaner on the ip4000. I can't speak for the newer one >>yet as i've only owned the ip5200 for about a week and haven't printed >>much with it yet. >> >> > >Well, the ip4000 couldn't be any worse for using a ton of ink than the >Epson C64 I had. It was the C64 that put me off individual ink tanks. > > > >>>You mean that HP's use more ink than the ip1500. Maybe some of Hp >>>printers don't take too much ink? >>> >>> >>The newer hps that take inktanks, which IIRC is out of your budget, >>from my understanding have an improved cleaning system which >> >> >circulates > > >>the ink rather than just tossing in a diaper. The head on the cart >>style don't need to be cleaned so much as you're going to toss them >>anyway. But the problem with the cheaper HPs isn't ink efficency, >> >> >it's > > >>tiny cartridges that cost a whole lot more than the ip1500... simply >>put you might be better off with the ip1600 but i'd have to crunch the >>numbers and see. >> >> > >I didn't realize the HP printers had tiny cartridges. you mean they are >thimbles as you call them? >Some HP printers must have bigger carts that are not too expensive. >The ip1600 seemed to have expensive ink tanks when I checked before - >and no compatibles. More expensive than ip4000 though the ip1600 is >cheaper to buy. > > > >>>It is a better idea if they are clear and you can see when the ink >>> >>> >goes > > >>>down and get a shock :) - but its just as much a shock as looking at >>> >>> >the picture on > > >>>the screen of the how much ink is left. >>> >>> >>Well, at least looking at the tanks you "know' how much is left. In >>the case of Epson it's totally an estimate. The ip4000 at the very >>least uses a prism that alerts you when it's down to 20%, and you know >>full well you have 20% left. There isn't a meter that give you scaled >>levels. The ip4200 does but this would be disabled if you refill >>manualy. I have no more data yet on this series... only had one for a >>week. >> >> > >Yes, you could see what is left, but you can do that onscreen by using >the printer monitor which shows a picture of whats left in carts. and >that way,you don't have to take the cart out of the printer to look. I >would probably end up looking at the carts though. > > > >>>From my point of view, their carts seem to be expensive. They don't >>> >>> >have > > >>>as many compatibles as Canon and most seem to have an integrated >>>printhead and cart, which costs more right there. >>>Doesn't the 4200 have the same kind of printhead and cart? that cost >>>more to buy carts because of the new printhead every time. >>> >>> >>The ip4200 is basicly the same thing as the ip4000 as far as the carts >>go, same as your ip1500 except bigger and it takes 5 tanks, clear >>simple tupperware... except they include chips which keep track of how >>much ink you used. >> >> > >Is that to discourage you from refilling them yourself? > > When empty it warns you three times or so before > > >>giving you a warning "proceed at you own risk". Then it disables the >>meter. There are no compatable tanks for this yet, but you can refill >>the existing tanks... mail order or that fill as you wait place. What >>I don't know is if you disable the meter if the prism still works... I >>have not had the printer long enough. >> >> > >Doesn't the 4200 have head and printer carts all in one so would cost >more to buy carts than one that had a printer head you could take out? > > > >>Again, there is plenty of ink for the ip4200 but no cartridges due to >>the chips. Like epson I expect there will be eventually. >> >> > >Epson never did have a compatible for the C64, though they had some for >other models. I don't know if they have more compatibles now and the >name brand cost a fortune. That why I got them refilled but even then, >they used a ton of ink, and I was glad when something went wrong with it >in the second year as I had a Staples warranty. thats when I got the >ip1500. > > > >>>I've never used an HP so can't comment. I wouldn't mind considering >>> >>> >an > > >>>HP, but the carts seem to be more expensive than Canons. Didn't you >>> >>> >or > > >>>Burt say that the Canon 4200 has no compatibles. You have to buy >>> >>> >brand > > >>>name? >>> >>> >>No compatable tanks, refilling your tanks is OK... which is rather why >>we both were pushing the ip4000. It has compatable inks and tanks up >>the yazoo. You will not be inkless in Toronto... where as I with my >>ip5200 am inkless in seattle. >> >> > >Is that like Sleepless in Seattle? Isnt Seattle in the middle of >silicone valley where all the computer places are? > > > >>>I notice the 4200 is much the same price as >>>the 4000 in Staples. I thought I saw the 4200 on sale not long ago, >>> >>> >but > > >>>it kind of puts me off the printhead and cart in one makes >>> >>> >cartridges > > >>>more money, and no compatibles and may never be. >>> >>> >>the ip4200 is like your ip1600 in the fact you can remove the head... >>and if it fails canon will send you a new one during the one year >>warranty period. >> >> > >I think you meant ip 1600 above. You can remove the printhead on the >4200 and 1600, but what I got them confused with was with both of them >you have to buy carts with printhead/ink cart, making the carts more >expensive to buy than the 4000 which works on a printhead and ink carts >only. > > > >>You just can't buy aftermarket ink at Staples *yet*. >> >> > >And that could be a while and no way to know. > > > >>The *only* issue is the chip on the cartridge, otherwise refilling >> >> >what > > >>you have isn't a problem, either your self or a fill as you wait or >>mail order refill place. >> >> > >I prefer not to refill at all, but prefer compatibles and STaples here >have not bad prices for compatibles and if they had more $5.00 off all >Staples compatibles as they had last week would be ok. Even the 4000 >Staples compatibles would only be $5.86 each. I didn't see that large 2 >pack black tank in the store when I lookled last week. I just saw it >online. I would have to check at a store and might look at another >Staples tomorrow to see if they have any printers that other stores >don't have. Most of their stores have the same printers and all have the >same advertised sales, but some stores have clearance items that other >stores might not have. On their website, they very seldom have any >printers on sale. > > The ip4000 has NO such restriction but isn't > > >>made and is in short supply. If you want compatables at Staples the >>ip4000 is *the* choice. The only thing you don't seem to like about >> >> >it > > >>is the fact it takes multi-tanks rather than a tri color. You'd be >>better off pricewise with the ip4000, or your existing ip1500. It's >>not "as" good but it's better than most printers under $100. >> >> > >Yeah, the multi tank seems less tanks to think about, and its been ok on >the ip1500 but I might have to get something else. I am not sure what I >want to do and only have a couple of days to >decide if I want to get the refurb. ip1500.. > > > >>>Nothing wrong with asking them to price match >>> >>> >>When I can check online what the prices are...I find it pointless. >> >> >For > > >>example I was pricing a new hard drive today. Basicly I want to redo >>my server and it's ever so much easier with a new drive. I had my >>choice with the local big name stores which offered good prices with >>rebates, a few no name brands, or an independent shop. The indy shop >>won in terms of out of pocket price, which all things being equal I >>pick the indy shop though it's a 10 mile drive. Also the big name >>stores try to offer the extended warranty on product which carry a >> >> >very > > >>good 3 to 5 year warranty. In this case there wouldn't be an option >>for pricematching as the indy shop offers OEM products... as in >>boxless. And they don't haggle. Even if I could play the price match >>game... that would take time I could otherwise be spending using my >>product. >> >> > >You can only price match certain items to be worthwhile. I shop quite a >lot and because some items here are more expensive than they would be in >the US, you have to price match here or wait for stuff to be on sale , >for expensive items, and items you wouldn't want to pay full price for >as y ou don't really need them but would like to have them. I mean such >as digital cameras and some computer items. There is a lot of stores >around me, so I like to research items and prices and check various >stores. With my camera, I went online and did a lot of research into how >to use digital cameras, then I checked various online store prices at >stores local to me and eventually there was a good sale at one of the >stores, so I went to Staples with my online page from a competitor and >got the camera I wanted for the same price as the competitor, plus 10% >(the 50% deal ended a few days before at Staples) which I didn't know >about so I thought I would get some really outstanding bargain, but >found out it was just 10% difference they had changed to. I heard they >lost too much money from people who bought lots of the same item and >sold them to other people. > >I bought a larger hard drive a few months ago and checked some online >computer stores, which also have stores near me, but prices were much >the same, so I went to the store near me and got it. I still haven't >changed my stuff from my old hard drive over yet. I keep putting it off >as I have tons of jpgs to go through. > > > >>>Its not a booth. Its just a screen you stand in front of. I think of >>> >>> >a > > >>>booth like a booth in some older restaurants, or one of these old >>> >>> >photo > > >>>booths - enclosures. >>> >>> >>Ah like a phone booth, which is rather why I call them Photo Stations. >> >>"What is "London Drugs Photo Station"? >>London Drugs Photo Station (LDPS) is a suite of digital imaging >>services, part of the high quality photo finishing available through >>the One Hour Photo Division of London Drugs Limited. In reading this >>FAQ web page you have already accessed the Internet portion of London >>Drugs Photo Station, at ldphotostation.com. Features available on this >>web site include the following:" >>It would seem the Canadian term is "Photo Station", or at least the >>london drugs term. >> >> > >We don't have London Drugs in Toronto. I guess they would be in London, >Ontario which is not near Toronto. London is closer to Windsor, which is >close to Detroit. They might call them this in London and some other >cities and towns, but its a big country, and in Western or Eastern >Canada, maybe they call them something else altogether, like pic >stations :) I've only hear people say I am going to the picture machine >in Walmart or wherever or I am going to print photos on one of those >photo printing machines. I think people use different terms for it. We >haven't had these machines all that long to get a uniform name for them. > > > >>>I already asked you where you were from. I was thinking you were >>> >>> >Burt > > >>>and was going to ask him where he was from. Do you go to Merida >>> >>> >Mexico? > > >>>Well North America is Canada, US and Mexico. >>> >>> >>Well "I" agree with you, but for some reason the people live down >> >> >south > > >>think of mexico as central america for some reason. I know it's >>silly... but the term for English speaking neighbor is "north >>american". >> >> > >Maybe south America sounds more interesting. > > > >>>You mean you can buy printers for $20.00 or $40.00? >>>You wouldn't be able to do that here. Cheapest would be $60.00 Can. >>> >>> >and > > >>>that would be on sale. Most start at $70.00 for cheapest printers. >>> >>> >The > > >>>only one I've seen is that HP one for $50.00 (the HP 3845). I've >>> >>> >never > > >>>seen it in stores for a long time. Its Staples online, but I don't >>> >>> >know > > >>>if its any good or not. >>> >>> >>I mean... the ink in the printer costs about $60ish to $80ish... and >>the printer it self costs $100ish to $120ish, making the spent on the >>printer $20 to $40 or so. >> >> > >I wouldn't figure it that way. I think of the printer as one price and >the ink another like separate things. > > > >>The HP 3845 will print probally about as much as the ip1500 did. >> >> >about > > >>220 pages black. It'll cost you $30ish canadian to do it. or >>13cents/page. The ip1500 was about $10ish for 150page, or about >>6cents/page, and fact that you can get aftermarket supplies for the >>ip1500, lowering your cost per page to well about a penny or two a >>page. To compair the ip4000 was about 3cents/page for the name brand >>ink, or about a couple pennies a page for the aftermarket staples >>supplies. 3cents canadian a page is damn good, less is even beter. >>Unless you can find someone to refill the HP it'll cost 5 to 10 times >>as much to operate. >> >> > >You and Burt are total experts on ink prices and detailed calculations >on various models of printers which is good for me and others who don't >know as much. >I don't go into all these cents a page things like you, but if the HP >cost that much more to operate, I will forget about them. > > > >>HP 3845, thimble class, massive price. >> >> > >No good. > > > >>>The Canon Bjc 2100 was a very well made printer and was cheap - >>> >>> >$70.00 I > > >>>think and lasted 3 years. It printed well but I only printed a few >>>scanned photos from my old camera. >>> >>> >>The bjc-2100 wasn't so bad, but that was then... I wouldn't expect the >>ip1500 to outlast a bjc-2100. I don't know about the ip1600 as it's >>just too new but if you want a printer that'll last for 3 years... >>think $100 plus or minus a few bucks and careful research. >> >> > >Yeah, probably. The Bjc 2100 was much stronger made than the ip1500. the >ip1500 is kind of plasticky, though has been ok till now. The bjc 2100 >was strong metal. I still have it but the printhead is separate and it >costs $70.00 for the printhead and two cartridges. it also has a large >black printhead and ink combined for about $40.00 but only prints black. >Maybe the printer wouldn't even work now as I haven't used it for a >year. the black cart in it would be dried up long ago. it was empty. > > > >>>I wish I lived next door to you and you could have given it to me :) >>> >>> >>Actually staples,ca had the ip4000 for CDN$80... not as cool as US $65 >>and a $20 rebate. At least Canada still has the ip4000, they are rare >>suckers in the states. >> >> > >We don't get all the rebates you get. thats another complaint I have :) >They don't need to give too many rebates here because the market doesn't >demand it. But $80.00 Can. is a very good price. Its $130.00 now so big >difference. So have to pay that price if that is what I decide on. So >far, I've been at three Staplesl stores and none of them had the 4000. >only the 4200. It seemed to me it was on sale for $100.00recently but I >don't think I would buy the 4200 with no compatibles and too expensive >OEM carts. > > > >>>Staples warranty is $10.00 if you buy something under $100.00. If >>> >>> >its > > >>>over that but up to $200.00 it doubles to $20.00. It goes up the >>> >>> >more > > >>>the item cost. Up to $200.00 is replacement, over that is repair. >>> >>> >The > > >>>ip1500 cost me $70.00 and was on sale for $10.00 off original price. >>> >>> >>Ok, so I can assume your printer represents $70 from staples? The >> >> >head > > >>represents $40ish on e-bay assuming you don't use it. >> >> >> >>>If I bought a printer for $130.00, it would cost me $60.00 more to >>> >>> >pay > > >>>for the printer and $20.00 for the Staples warranty. Thats quite a >>> >>> >lot > > >>>of money for me. I don't have a lot of money ya know :) >>> >>> >>Ok, so $150 if you get the staples warranty. And $70 from staples, >>and > you should be able to sell the head for $40, and do someone a >> >> >favor at > > >>that. That brings you up to $110 or $40 less than the ip4000. You >>could also sell the ink and get aftermarket but that's too complex to >>calculate. >> >> > >What ink? I don't have any ink to sell. >I used to sell stuff on Ebay but haven't for two years at least and when >I sold stuff like hard to find videos and stuff, Paypal were not in >existence, or weren't used by Ebay, so I would get money order from US >people in US dollars and they were easy to cash, or some would send me >US bills if not a lot of money. My stuff was always below $20.00. I >never had any money go missing. people use those security type envelopes >which helps. But now with Paypal, it seems complicated to me and >International sellers pay a Paypal fee and my bank maybe charges when >the money comes in. And I don't want to open a Paypal account, but you >have to in order to sell on Ebay now. > > > >>Or.. you can get your ip1500 replaced from canon and I presume ditch >>the Staples warranty. It'll probally last a year, and the aftermarket >>supplies to make it reasonable to operate. >> >> > >What do you mean by "and the aftermarket supplies to make it reasonable >to operate"? >I would have to buy aftermarket supplies for whatever printer I have, or >maybe you don't mean that. >And yes, if I get the refurb ip1500, I only have a couple of days to >make up my mind or the warranty with Canon will be over, and if I was to >do that, the Staples warranty would not be valid any more. > >Mary > > > > > |