Question re Canon iP1500
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From: Mary on 10 Apr 2006 22:00 "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message news:ful_f.57662$F_3.10939(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > "Mary" <nonon(a)nothin.com> wrote in message > news:4439c2e4$0$28237$6d36acad(a)titian.nntpserver.com... > > "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message > > news:eQj_f.57600$F_3.13545(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > >> > >> "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > > > Do you mean the first time you are refilling after you buy new carts > > from the store? The tri color carts from Staples compatibles or Canons > > don't have any plastic tape on them. They just have the hard orange > > plastic clips that clip over the colors or black carts. There is no > > tape. I can't remember about Epson carts if they had tape or not on the > > bottom where the color comes out after they were refilled. I think they > > did and were sealed in a small plastic bag. > > > > Mary > > > Are they plastic wrapped? You need to let air into the cart to permit ink > to come out. Otherwise you create a vacuum. At least that's the way the > bci-6 and bci-3 carts work. We were talking about refilled carts and compatible carts so not sure which ones you mean. I can't remember if there was tape or not on the refilled ones. The compatibles from STaples, do not have any plastic tape on the colors, neither does the Canon ones. > Yes, it would be convenient to have an extra > set so you don't have to run to the store the minute one runs out. If you > are going to have a cart refilled when you have emptied it that is the time > you need to keep it from drying out. Do the refillers in your area replace > a cap on the bottom or plastic wrap the whole cart so the ink outlet doesn't > get dried out? I think they had plastic around the whole cart, but its been a while, so can't be sure. Mary
From: Mary on 10 Apr 2006 22:06 "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message news:eQj_f.57600 > What I meant was to keep the empty carts you take out of the printer in a > sealed container (refrigerator plastic container with tight fitting lid is > OK) before taking them to your refiller. After refilling, the ink outlet > should be sealed and there should be some tape over the air vent on top like > when you buy a new one. I've never used the tricolor cart, but the bci-6 > and bci-3ebk carts have tape you remove and other plastic tape you leave on > the top. After refilling I put some tape over the air vent until I'ml ready > to use it and I then take only the tape off just as I would for a new OEM > cart. the bci 3ebk carts are for the ip4000 arent they? I wish they wouldn't number the carts like that as they are hard to remember. they should just put the model number of the printer on the box (for compatibles or other) and you could find them much quicker. I spent ages going back and forth last week trying to figure out which printer used which carts as I didn't know the cartridge numbers for the printers I was looking at. Its a pain. with the ip1500, whether compatibles or brand name none have plastic tape over the air vent. but maybe they do on newer models. Mary
From: Mary on 10 Apr 2006 22:10 "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message news:03g_f.14379 > Mary - You asked, on a previous post, about the large black bci-3ebk tank. > It is actually a benefit as it prints better text and has a large capacity > which means less trips to get refilled, etc. I think I asked you but forget, that being the case above, why wouldn't they just have one small black cartridge like other printers? Is the ink different? I would think the small one would print good enough. Is it a way for Canon to make more money for more carts in the same printer? Mary
From: Mary on 10 Apr 2006 22:21 "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message To get back to this for a minute: > > > MPUSBPRN01 refers to the virtual port your printer is on, for example > > > if you had two printers of the same type one would be MPUSBPRN01 and > > > the other would be MPUSBPRN02. When you do a file print look for > > > "where" and which ever printer spews out paper is that one. > > I've only got one printer and its USB01. I was thinking later that my Epson Bjc 2100 was USB01 before when I had it installed, but when I got the ip1500, it installed on MPUSBPRN01, and though I don't have the BJC2100 installed now or connected to the computer, the ip1500 still used MPUSBPRN01. Where does it get MP? Regardless, the ip1500 has been assigned to MPUSBPRN01 and is accepted as that on the utility, but other buttons pressed does not reset. > You got me there... I would expect something like IPUSBPRN01 as in > Canon pixma IP series usb printer number one, not Canon MP series usb > printer number one.... but often canon uses the same roms between > printers. Somewhere inside the printer it probally says "I'm MPUSBPRN" It must. > > Then you click on Quit to Exit, > > but I wonder if you only know it worked if the error message doesn't > > come on the screen next time or if its set right, there is some > > confirmation message. > > Got me... I have not used this software. The manual... likely the > service manual... would actually spell it out for ya. Problem is I > only have the ip4000 service manual which doesn't employ the "service > tool" but rather oddball button presses. The ones you or was it Burt gave me before for pressing buttons on the printer. I only have two buttons on the ip1500. power on and the Resume so a couple of things mentioned did not make sense, saying turn on the printer when it was already turned on, so I didn't get anywhere with my reset with that method either. Oh well, maybe means my printer can't be reset for some reason. Mary
From: zakezuke on 10 Apr 2006 23:05
> So you don't think the ip4000 uses as much ink as the Epson C64 I had? I > thought it used a ton of ink and I didn't print photos at that time as I > didn't have a digital camera. I would much rather have the ip15000 I now > have than the Epson. There is NO way the ip4000 will use as much ink as the Epson. The Epsons are on piezo technology which employs crystals which expand and contract and vibrate, and though the assistance of gravity drop on the page in the right spot. From my understanding this requires a larger shaft and is more prone to clogging. The result is a complex pump system to suck the ink right out of the heads to clean them. The Canon is on thermal technology, basicly a coil in a chamber when heated. >From my understanding not only is the shaft smaller, but because we are dealing with an expanding gas even if it does clog, there is less clog and more force to get rid of the clog. Technicaly piezo jets are where it's at as you don't have to worry so much about chemistry... you can put just about anything through them including molten wax.. but the base line epsons are flacky. Even if you were to take one cartridge and refill it, the cleaning cycle will be leaner on the ip4000. I can't speak for the newer one yet as i've only owned the ip5200 for about a week and haven't printed much with it yet. > You mean that HP's use more ink than the ip1500. Maybe some of Hp > printers don't take too much ink? The newer hps that take inktanks, which IIRC is out of your budget, from my understanding have an improved cleaning system which circulates the ink rather than just tossing in a diaper. The head on the cart style don't need to be cleaned so much as you're going to toss them anyway. But the problem with the cheaper HPs isn't ink efficency, it's tiny cartridges that cost a whole lot more than the ip1500... simply put you might be better off with the ip1600 but i'd have to crunch the numbers and see. > It is a better idea if they are clear and you can see when the ink goes > down and get a shock :) - but its just as much a shock as looking at the picture on > the screen of the how much ink is left. Well, at least looking at the tanks you "know' how much is left. In the case of Epson it's totally an estimate. The ip4000 at the very least uses a prism that alerts you when it's down to 20%, and you know full well you have 20% left. There isn't a meter that give you scaled levels. The ip4200 does but this would be disabled if you refill manualy. I have no more data yet on this series... only had one for a week. > From my point of view, their carts seem to be expensive. They don't have > as many compatibles as Canon and most seem to have an integrated > printhead and cart, which costs more right there. > Doesn't the 4200 have the same kind of printhead and cart? that cost > more to buy carts because of the new printhead every time. The ip4200 is basicly the same thing as the ip4000 as far as the carts go, same as your ip1500 except bigger and it takes 5 tanks, clear simple tupperware... except they include chips which keep track of how much ink you used. When empty it warns you three times or so before giving you a warning "proceed at you own risk". Then it disables the meter. There are no compatable tanks for this yet, but you can refill the existing tanks... mail order or that fill as you wait place. What I don't know is if you disable the meter if the prism still works... I have not had the printer long enough. Again, there is plenty of ink for the ip4200 but no cartridges due to the chips. Like epson I expect there will be eventually. > I've never used an HP so can't comment. I wouldn't mind considering an > HP, but the carts seem to be more expensive than Canons. Didn't you or > Burt say that the Canon 4200 has no compatibles. You have to buy brand > name? No compatable tanks, refilling your tanks is OK... which is rather why we both were pushing the ip4000. It has compatable inks and tanks up the yazoo. You will not be inkless in Toronto... where as I with my ip5200 am inkless in seattle. > I notice the 4200 is much the same price as > the 4000 in Staples. I thought I saw the 4200 on sale not long ago, but > it kind of puts me off the printhead and cart in one makes cartridges > more money, and no compatibles and may never be. the ip4200 is like your ip1600 in the fact you can remove the head... and if it fails canon will send you a new one during the one year warranty period. You just can't buy aftermarket ink at Staples *yet*. The *only* issue is the chip on the cartridge, otherwise refilling what you have isn't a problem, either your self or a fill as you wait or mail order refill place. The ip4000 has NO such restriction but isn't made and is in short supply. If you want compatables at Staples the ip4000 is *the* choice. The only thing you don't seem to like about it is the fact it takes multi-tanks rather than a tri color. You'd be better off pricewise with the ip4000, or your existing ip1500. It's not "as" good but it's better than most printers under $100. > Nothing wrong with asking them to price match When I can check online what the prices are...I find it pointless. For example I was pricing a new hard drive today. Basicly I want to redo my server and it's ever so much easier with a new drive. I had my choice with the local big name stores which offered good prices with rebates, a few no name brands, or an independent shop. The indy shop won in terms of out of pocket price, which all things being equal I pick the indy shop though it's a 10 mile drive. Also the big name stores try to offer the extended warranty on product which carry a very good 3 to 5 year warranty. In this case there wouldn't be an option for pricematching as the indy shop offers OEM products... as in boxless. And they don't haggle. Even if I could play the price match game... that would take time I could otherwise be spending using my product. > Its not a booth. Its just a screen you stand in front of. I think of a > booth like a booth in some older restaurants, or one of these old photo > booths - enclosures. Ah like a phone booth, which is rather why I call them Photo Stations. "What is "London Drugs Photo Station"? London Drugs Photo Station (LDPS) is a suite of digital imaging services, part of the high quality photo finishing available through the One Hour Photo Division of London Drugs Limited. In reading this FAQ web page you have already accessed the Internet portion of London Drugs Photo Station, at ldphotostation.com. Features available on this web site include the following:" It would seem the Canadian term is "Photo Station", or at least the london drugs term. > Well, if you are going to Costco that would be correct. Otherwise, here > you would say I am going to the print machine at Walmart or wherever. > I've never said that because I've never done it yet. When you do... > I already asked you where you were from. I was thinking you were Burt > and was going to ask him where he was from. Do you go to Merida Mexico? > Well North America is Canada, US and Mexico. Well "I" agree with you, but for some reason the people live down south think of mexico as central america for some reason. I know it's silly... but the term for English speaking neighbor is "north american". > You mean you can buy printers for $20.00 or $40.00? > You wouldn't be able to do that here. Cheapest would be $60.00 Can. and > that would be on sale. Most start at $70.00 for cheapest printers. The > only one I've seen is that HP one for $50.00 (the HP 3845). I've never > seen it in stores for a long time. Its Staples online, but I don't know > if its any good or not. I mean... the ink in the printer costs about $60ish to $80ish... and the printer it self costs $100ish to $120ish, making the spent on the printer $20 to $40 or so. The HP 3845 will print probally about as much as the ip1500 did. about 220 pages black. It'll cost you $30ish canadian to do it. or 13cents/page. The ip1500 was about $10ish for 150page, or about 6cents/page, and fact that you can get aftermarket supplies for the ip1500, lowering your cost per page to well about a penny or two a page. To compair the ip4000 was about 3cents/page for the name brand ink, or about a couple pennies a page for the aftermarket staples supplies. 3cents canadian a page is damn good, less is even beter. Unless you can find someone to refill the HP it'll cost 5 to 10 times as much to operate. HP 3845, thimble class, massive price. > The Canon Bjc 2100 was a very well made printer and was cheap - $70.00 I > think and lasted 3 years. It printed well but I only printed a few > scanned photos from my old camera. The bjc-2100 wasn't so bad, but that was then... I wouldn't expect the ip1500 to outlast a bjc-2100. I don't know about the ip1600 as it's just too new but if you want a printer that'll last for 3 years... think $100 plus or minus a few bucks and careful research. > I wish I lived next door to you and you could have given it to me :) Actually staples,ca had the ip4000 for CDN$80... not as cool as US $65 and a $20 rebate. At least Canada still has the ip4000, they are rare suckers in the states. > Staples warranty is $10.00 if you buy something under $100.00. If its > over that but up to $200.00 it doubles to $20.00. It goes up the more > the item cost. Up to $200.00 is replacement, over that is repair. The > ip1500 cost me $70.00 and was on sale for $10.00 off original price. Ok, so I can assume your printer represents $70 from staples? The head represents $40ish on e-bay assuming you don't use it. > If I bought a printer for $130.00, it would cost me $60.00 more to pay > for the printer and $20.00 for the Staples warranty. Thats quite a lot > of money for me. I don't have a lot of money ya know :) Ok, so $150 if you get the staples warranty. And $70 from staples, and you should be able to sell the head for $40, and do someone a favor at that. That brings you up to $110 or $40 less than the ip4000. You could also sell the ink and get aftermarket but that's too complex to calculate. Or.. you can get your ip1500 replaced from canon and I presume ditch the Staples warranty. It'll probally last a year, and the aftermarket supplies to make it reasonable to operate. |