The Electric Car
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From: BradGuth on 23 Sep 2007 23:50 On Sep 23, 7:41 pm, ChairmanOfTheBored <RUBo...(a)crackasmile.org> wrote: > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:25:18 -0000, BradGuth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >On Sep 22, 5:48 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)My- > >Web-Site.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:06:46 -0000,BradGuth<bradg...(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > > >> >On Sep 22, 1:29 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> > >> >wrote: > >> >>BradGuthwrote: > >> >> > Luck has little if anything to do with those regular laws of physics, > >> >> > although the R&D science of getting this 100 empg Hummer or the 200 > >> >> > empg GM Volt into the dumbfounded hands of the typical village idiot > >> >> > end-user is going to require some degree of luck. > > >> >> The 'regular laws of physics' are going to prevent both of those ever happening. > > >> >> Graham > > >> >Arnt you being a silly brown-nosed clown again, and for otherwise > >> >being stuck in that land of naysayism, as representing your one and > >> >only status quo norm. > > >> >Some of us are sharing about getting the most clean and best possible > >> >empg per given volume or mass of fossil fuel, such as for using that > >> >fossil fuel along with h2o2 instead of badly burning our polluted > >> >atmosphere that's mostly N2. What the naysay puck on a stick are you > >> >thinking of? > >> >- Brad Guth - > > >> Methinks Brad proves that ignorance IS an excuse. > > >Methinks you're another brown-noed minion of the Third Reich, or > >perhaps of something far worse since you folks continually claim to > >know all there is to know, and then some. > >- Brad Guth - > > Let's just say that you are not providing us with any breakthrough, > startlingly "new" information, dumbass. That is true, because those related laws of physics certainly haven't changed, and there's not really any new and improved science from the past few decades. In other words, the h2o2 + whatever fuel combinations are still the same, still capable of offering a zero NOx and minimal CO2 exhaust, and still capable of getting 100 empg on behalf of that hybrid Hummer, or 200 empg from that GM Volt. Just exactly like the clean energy extracted from the sun, wind or whatever hydroelectrics including tidal derived energy is still representing the same old clean and renewable energy on behalf of delivering multiple teraWatts (as many as you'd like), just as it was capable of accomplishing such as of decades ago. Sorry about all that. - Brad Guth -
From: John Larkin on 24 Sep 2007 00:20 On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:50:28 -0000, BradGuth <bradguth(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Sep 23, 7:41 pm, ChairmanOfTheBored <RUBo...(a)crackasmile.org> >wrote: >> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:25:18 -0000, BradGuth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >On Sep 22, 5:48 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)My- >> >Web-Site.com> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:06:46 -0000,BradGuth<bradg...(a)gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >On Sep 22, 1:29 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> >> >> >wrote: >> >> >>BradGuthwrote: >> >> >> > Luck has little if anything to do with those regular laws of physics, >> >> >> > although the R&D science of getting this 100 empg Hummer or the 200 >> >> >> > empg GM Volt into the dumbfounded hands of the typical village idiot >> >> >> > end-user is going to require some degree of luck. >> >> >> >> The 'regular laws of physics' are going to prevent both of those ever happening. >> >> >> >> Graham >> >> >> >Arnt you being a silly brown-nosed clown again, and for otherwise >> >> >being stuck in that land of naysayism, as representing your one and >> >> >only status quo norm. >> >> >> >Some of us are sharing about getting the most clean and best possible >> >> >empg per given volume or mass of fossil fuel, such as for using that >> >> >fossil fuel along with h2o2 instead of badly burning our polluted >> >> >atmosphere that's mostly N2. What the naysay puck on a stick are you >> >> >thinking of? >> >> >- Brad Guth - >> >> >> Methinks Brad proves that ignorance IS an excuse. >> >> >Methinks you're another brown-noed minion of the Third Reich, or >> >perhaps of something far worse since you folks continually claim to >> >know all there is to know, and then some. >> >- Brad Guth - >> >> Let's just say that you are not providing us with any breakthrough, >> startlingly "new" information, dumbass. > >That is true, because those related laws of physics certainly haven't >changed, and there's not really any new and improved science from the >past few decades. > >In other words, the h2o2 + whatever fuel combinations are still the >same, still capable of offering a zero NOx and minimal CO2 exhaust, Conventional piston engines don't make obnoxious amounts of nitrogen oxides. Seems to me that H2O2 is an awfully inefficient way to get oxygen, when it's free for the asking all around us. H2O2 is a damned expensive way to transport oxygen. And aluminum is a damned expensive way to transport electricity. >and still capable of getting 100 empg on behalf of that hybrid Hummer, >or 200 empg from that GM Volt. Just exactly like the clean energy >extracted from the sun, wind or whatever hydroelectrics including >tidal derived energy is still representing the same old clean and >renewable energy on behalf of delivering multiple teraWatts (as many >as you'd like), just as it was capable of accomplishing such as of >decades ago. Explain to us what is the relationship between H2O2 and all those terawatts of clean, cheap energy. Since we're engineers, some numbers would be appreciated. Wild idea breakthroughs are a staple around here. The burden of proof is on the presenter, to explain why it might work and then to explain why it isn't already being done. Sorry, conspiracy theories are not accepted. John
From: The Ghost In The Machine on 24 Sep 2007 00:13 In sci.physics, BradGuth <bradguth(a)gmail.com> wrote on Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:08:17 -0000 <1190588897.909494.83940(a)19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>: > On Aug 8, 5:47 pm, RichD <r_delaney2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Jul 28, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > > > >This is another reason why hybrids make more sense. Pure EVs >> > > > >have too many limitations. >> >> > > > If they could recharge in 10 mins, the US power grid would burn out >> >> > > What about these? >> > >http://altairnano.com/markets_amps.html >> >> > Shockingly expensive. $75,000 per vehicle just for batteries. >> >http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/07/altair_nanotech.html >> >> Expensive, who cares? We're talking about the >> ENVIRONMENT, we can't worry about filty lucre. >> What are you, a greedy Republican? >> >> Let the gov't fund it, won't cost a farthing! That's >> why we need visionaries like Al Gore, bold men >> not afraid to take on the special interests, leading >> by example. > > I agree. What else is our government good for, if not to impress us > with all of it's wizardly expertise and can-do mindset. > - > > The all electric car is technically doable, And already has been done, several times in fact. The main issue is recharging the batteries. > although having even a > small onboard ICE for the minimal cruising needs of sustaining 60+ mph > might represent a good compromise, especially if it's contributing > zero NOx and minimal CO2 at a hybrid usage of 200 empg per fossil fuel > usage. The car is not contributing the NOx, but its power source might be. This power source is most likely a coal-burning electric generation plant. As for 200 mpg...that's a little high. > > The Electric Car / sci.electronics.design > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/2bfee708dee351b9? > On Sep 22, 5:26 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: >> BradGuthwrote: >> > Eeyore wrote: >> > >BradGuthwrote: >> > > > Luck has little if anything to do with those regular laws of physics, >> > > > although the R&D science of getting this 100 empg Hummer or the 200 >> > > > empg GM Volt into the dumbfounded hands of the typical village idiot >> > > > end-user is going to require some degree of luck. >> >> > > The 'regular laws of physics' are going to prevent both of those ever happening. >> >> > Arnt you being a silly brown-nosed clown again, and for otherwise >> > being stuck in that land of naysayism, as representing your one and >> > only status quo norm. >> >> I suggest you find out the frontal area and drag coefficient of a Hummer, plus its >> weight and rolling resistance. >> >> If you had the ability to do the required 'sums' I'm sure you'll find that the power >> required to propel it under a typical driving regime will never allow '100 mpg' or its >> equivalent. Ditto for 200 mpg and the Volt. > > Double ditto right back at you, as I've been there and done that. Of > course double-ditto-duh once again, as it's hybrid city or local > commute empg, and having replaced our mostly N2 atmosphere with that > robust fluid of h2o2, so that we obtain the most clean energy and best > amount of bang per gallon of whatever fossil or biofuel, is actually > accomplished within existing physics and doable technology. > > I believe the mass ratio is something like roughly 7:1 up to 7.2:1 for > h2o2/c12h26 (hydrogen peroxide / kerosene or RP-1), a little better on > certain heavier fuel oils such as diesel No.2 and perhaps nearly as > good enough with plain old gasoline, and a bit worse off with certain > biofuels, though all dual fuel injected and 100% computer controlled > (of course), so that your little zero NOx engine for that hybrid > Hummer or GM Volt can safely mix and match to almost any combination > of fossil and biofuels as your heart desires. > http://www.dunnspace.com/alternate_ssto_propellants.htm > > We're also talking about a fairly small radial turbine or some other > rotary efficient engine that's driving a direct coupled high speed > alternator. I suppose you've got those insurmountable problems with > that as well. > > What's your sorry excuse for being such an all-knowing naysay stick in > the mud? > - Brad Guth - > And the creation of H2O2 is done precisely how, again? Clearly this is the fuel of the future (if one can deal with the fact that it's highly explosive, but that's a technical detail), but can neither be harvested from plants nor extracted from minerals without some sort of process. I'd like to know the details thereof, if you don't mind. -- #191, ewill3(a)earthlink.net Linux. Because it's there and it works. Windows. It's there, but does it work? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
From: Eeyore on 24 Sep 2007 04:50 BradGuth wrote: > Eeyore wrote: > > BradGuth wrote: > > > Eeyore wrote: > > > > BradGuthwrote: > > > > > Eeyore wrote: > > > > > >BradGuthwrote: > > > > > > > Luck has little if anything to do with those regular laws of physics, > > > > > > > although the R&D science of getting this 100 empg Hummer or the 200 > > > > > > > empg GM Volt into the dumbfounded hands of the typical village idiot > > > > > > > end-user is going to require some degree of luck. > > > > > > > > The 'regular laws of physics' are going to prevent both of those ever happening. > > > > > > > Arnt you being a silly brown-nosed clown again, and for otherwise > > > > > being stuck in that land of naysayism, as representing your one and > > > > > only status quo norm. > > > > > > I suggest you find out the frontal area and drag coefficient of a Hummer, plus its > > > > weight and rolling resistance. > > > > > > If you had the ability to do the required 'sums' I'm sure you'll find that the power > > > > required to propel it under a typical driving regime will never allow '100 mpg' or its > > > > equivalent. Ditto for 200 mpg and the Volt. > > > > > Double ditto right back at you, as I've been there and done that. > > > > It very obvious you haven't. > > See above, and comprehend. Or is that asking too much? Where are your calculations ? Any idiot can make unsupported claims. And you're certainly an IDIOT. Graham
From: Eeyore on 24 Sep 2007 04:51
BradGuth wrote: > On Sep 23, 7:41 pm, ChairmanOfTheBored <RUBo...(a)crackasmile.org> > wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:25:18 -0000, BradGuth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >On Sep 22, 5:48 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)My- > > >Web-Site.com> wrote: > > >> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:06:46 -0000,BradGuth<bradg...(a)gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > > > >> >On Sep 22, 1:29 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> > > >> >wrote: > > >> >>BradGuthwrote: > > >> >> > Luck has little if anything to do with those regular laws of physics, > > >> >> > although the R&D science of getting this 100 empg Hummer or the 200 > > >> >> > empg GM Volt into the dumbfounded hands of the typical village idiot > > >> >> > end-user is going to require some degree of luck. > > > > >> >> The 'regular laws of physics' are going to prevent both of those ever happening. > > > > >> >> Graham > > > > >> >Arnt you being a silly brown-nosed clown again, and for otherwise > > >> >being stuck in that land of naysayism, as representing your one and > > >> >only status quo norm. > > > > >> >Some of us are sharing about getting the most clean and best possible > > >> >empg per given volume or mass of fossil fuel, such as for using that > > >> >fossil fuel along with h2o2 instead of badly burning our polluted > > >> >atmosphere that's mostly N2. What the naysay puck on a stick are you > > >> >thinking of? > > >> >- Brad Guth - > > > > >> Methinks Brad proves that ignorance IS an excuse. > > > > >Methinks you're another brown-noed minion of the Third Reich, or > > >perhaps of something far worse since you folks continually claim to > > >know all there is to know, and then some. > > >- Brad Guth - > > > > Let's just say that you are not providing us with any breakthrough, > > startlingly "new" information, dumbass. > > That is true, because those related laws of physics certainly haven't > changed, and there's not really any new and improved science from the > past few decades. > > In other words, the h2o2 + whatever fuel combinations are still the > same, still capable of offering a zero NOx and minimal CO2 exhaust, > and still capable of getting 100 empg on behalf of that hybrid Hummer, > or 200 empg from that GM Volt. Where are the calculations ? 100 mpg Hummers are simply NOT possible. Graham |