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From: Spehro Pefhany on 5 Sep 2007 09:29 On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:04:39 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >Erdemal wrote: > >> Punjab The Sailor Man wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >> > Forget it. We are already past the point of no return. Yes, co2 is >> > increasing greenhouse but particulates are blocking sun light. When we >> > clean the particulate emissions out of the air the temperature will >> > double, melt all the glaciers left and kill mankind. >> >> And nothing of mankind will remain, forgotten forever. >> like in "Cien A�os de Soledad". > >You're not actually gullible enough to believe that are you ? > >Graham Interesting: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/04/climatechange?gusrc=rss&fe Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff(a)interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
From: MooseFET on 5 Sep 2007 09:36 On Sep 5, 1:38 am, Martin Brown <|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On Sep 5, 6:01 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > Dan Bloomquist wrote: > > > The world demands 175 quads/year of liquids today and that is expected to > > > grow to 225 quads/year in > > > twenty years. > > > Expected to grow that much only by those who are incapable of thinking nothing > > can ever change. > > His number seems quite reasonable to me. I can't see the USA giving up > on ugly monster gas guzzling cars until either Washington takes a > direct hit from a category 5 hurricane or oil becomes seriously scarce > and expensive. Both of these are long way into the future (unless > Saudia Arabia falls prey to Al Qaida). I can see the US moving away from them. It won't be a big step to the small cars. It will be a step to smaller better looking cars. Many years ago, I owned a Studebaker Lark. You could hold a squaredance in the leg room of the back seat, the trunk was huge and it could spin its tires if you really demanded it of it. It also got 30 MPG on the highway. That big bulbous shape was actually fairly streamlined and it had no features that drew power. I figure that the style will change and the optional equipment will get less energy hungry. The newer versions of many of the SUVs are lower. They are not built on top of pickup truck chassis anymore. Ford lowered the Exploder so it wouldn't corner on its lid so much but I bet that the milage improved from that too. > > Even modest growth in car use in India and China would take the > numbers up at least that far. > > > > > The EU is already in the process of introducing astonishing standards for fuel > > comsumption. > > My saloon car in the UK has its maximum fuel efficiency at a speed > just above the national speed limit. It has a lifetime fuel > consumption over 4 years of 56mpg (diesel). The new model is a less > appealing shape, but with a 6 speed gearbox and aerodynamic tweaks is > a few percent better still on paper. > > US cars still struggle to do 20mpg, and half decent acceleration is > rare in vehicles with less than 4L engines. > > The EU attempts to encourage and sponsor wind farms is a joke though. > I pass 3 big ones most days on the A19 and 2 of them are typically out > of service (sometimes all 3). I can't remember when I last saw all of > them turning. They are being built to qualify for grants and not to > generate electricity! > > There are some better maintained ones up at the Nissan plant in > Sunderland. 5 out of 6 of those are usually running. But the one that > failed spectacularly in flames a couple of years ago closed the road. > One of the major UK offshore windfarms isn't connected to the grid at > all becuase the dozy b*stards did not bury the cable. > > Regards, > Martin Brown
From: Spehro Pefhany on 5 Sep 2007 09:46 On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:38:10 -0700, Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: >On Sep 5, 6:01 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> >wrote: >> Dan Bloomquist wrote: >> > The world demands 175 quads/year of liquids today and that is expected to >> > grow to 225 quads/year in >> > twenty years. >> >> Expected to grow that much only by those who are incapable of thinking nothing >> can ever change. > >His number seems quite reasonable to me. I can't see the USA giving up >on ugly monster gas guzzling cars until either Washington takes a >direct hit from a category 5 hurricane or oil becomes seriously scarce >and expensive. Both of these are long way into the future (unless >Saudia Arabia falls prey to Al Qaida). If they got control, al Qaida would more than likely increase oil production, IMHO. They'd need the money for defense and social services. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff(a)interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
From: Eeyore on 5 Sep 2007 10:36 Spehro Pefhany wrote: > Eeyore wrote: > >Erdemal wrote: > >> Punjab The Sailor Man wrote: > >> > >> > Forget it. We are already past the point of no return. Yes, co2 is > >> > increasing greenhouse but particulates are blocking sun light. When we > >> > clean the particulate emissions out of the air the temperature will > >> > double, melt all the glaciers left and kill mankind. > >> > >> And nothing of mankind will remain, forgotten forever. > >> like in "Cien A�os de Soledad". > > > >You're not actually gullible enough to believe that are you ? > > > >Graham > > Interesting: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/04/climatechange?gusrc=rss&fe Losing the floating sea ice won't raise sea levels much of course. Meanwhile the Antarctic ice cap continues to gain mass. Graham
From: Eeyore on 5 Sep 2007 10:45
Spehro Pefhany wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >Erdemal wrote: > >> Punjab The Sailor Man wrote: > >> > >> > Forget it. We are already past the point of no return. Yes, co2 is > >> > increasing greenhouse but particulates are blocking sun light. When we > >> > clean the particulate emissions out of the air the temperature will > >> > double, melt all the glaciers left and kill mankind. > >> > >> And nothing of mankind will remain, forgotten forever. > >> like in "Cien A�os de Soledad". > > > >You're not actually gullible enough to believe that are you ? > > > >Graham > > Interesting: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/04/climatechange?gusrc=rss&fe > > Best regards, > Spehro Pefhany In 1421 a Chinese Imperial Navy squadron sailed right round the Arctic and found no ice anywhere. It is possible that at that time there was less of an icecap at the North Pole than there is now, particularly in summer. Yet the polar bears survived. Though there has been much discussion of the supposed threat posed by the warmer Arctic, the polar bears are thriving in the current warm period. Eleven of the thirteen principal known families are prospering as never before. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/11/05/warm-refs.pdf;jsessionid=PFT3OSENFDIP3QFIQMFSFFWAVCBQ0IV0 Graham |