The Electric Car
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From: John Larkin on 23 Sep 2007 17:14 On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:25:18 -0000, BradGuth <bradguth(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Sep 22, 5:48 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)My- >Web-Site.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:06:46 -0000,BradGuth<bradg...(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >On Sep 22, 1:29 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> >> >wrote: >> >>BradGuthwrote: >> >> > Luck has little if anything to do with those regular laws of physics, >> >> > although the R&D science of getting this 100 empg Hummer or the 200 >> >> > empg GM Volt into the dumbfounded hands of the typical village idiot >> >> > end-user is going to require some degree of luck. >> >> >> The 'regular laws of physics' are going to prevent both of those ever happening. >> >> >> Graham >> >> >Arnt you being a silly brown-nosed clown again, and for otherwise >> >being stuck in that land of naysayism, as representing your one and >> >only status quo norm. >> >> >Some of us are sharing about getting the most clean and best possible >> >empg per given volume or mass of fossil fuel, such as for using that >> >fossil fuel along with h2o2 instead of badly burning our polluted >> >atmosphere that's mostly N2. What the naysay puck on a stick are you >> >thinking of? >> >- Brad Guth - >> >> Methinks Brad proves that ignorance IS an excuse. > >Methinks you're another brown-noed minion of the Third Reich, or >perhaps of something far worse since you folks continually claim to >know all there is to know, and then some. >- Brad Guth - It sounds to me that you are making the all-too-common argument "solar and wind energy are free, so it's OK for us to use them in insanely inefficient ways." Carrying energy by means of electrochemical isolation of aluminum is about as crazy as making hydrogen by electrolysis. John
From: Jim Thompson on 23 Sep 2007 17:58 On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:25:18 -0000, BradGuth <bradguth(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Sep 22, 5:48 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)My- >Web-Site.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:06:46 -0000,BradGuth<bradg...(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >On Sep 22, 1:29 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> >> >wrote: >> >>BradGuthwrote: >> >> > Luck has little if anything to do with those regular laws of physics, >> >> > although the R&D science of getting this 100 empg Hummer or the 200 >> >> > empg GM Volt into the dumbfounded hands of the typical village idiot >> >> > end-user is going to require some degree of luck. >> >> >> The 'regular laws of physics' are going to prevent both of those ever happening. >> >> >> Graham >> >> >Arnt you being a silly brown-nosed clown again, and for otherwise >> >being stuck in that land of naysayism, as representing your one and >> >only status quo norm. >> >> >Some of us are sharing about getting the most clean and best possible >> >empg per given volume or mass of fossil fuel, such as for using that >> >fossil fuel along with h2o2 instead of badly burning our polluted >> >atmosphere that's mostly N2. What the naysay puck on a stick are you >> >thinking of? >> >- Brad Guth - >> >> Methinks Brad proves that ignorance IS an excuse. > >Methinks you're another brown-noed minion of the Third Reich, or >perhaps of something far worse since you folks continually claim to >know all there is to know, and then some. >- Brad Guth - And you, sir, are a village idiot, most likely a leftist weenie as well. Only leftist weenies are ignorant enough to think that engineering is accomplished via expression of emotion, while ignoring engineering derivations or the laws of physics. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave
From: BradGuth on 23 Sep 2007 19:08 On Aug 8, 5:47 pm, RichD <r_delaney2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 28, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >This is another reason why hybrids make more sense. Pure EVs > > > > >have too many limitations. > > > > > If they could recharge in 10 mins, the US power grid would burn out > > > > What about these? > > >http://altairnano.com/markets_amps.html > > > Shockingly expensive. $75,000 per vehicle just for batteries. > >http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/07/altair_nanotech.html > > Expensive, who cares? We're talking about the > ENVIRONMENT, we can't worry about filty lucre. > What are you, a greedy Republican? > > Let the gov't fund it, won't cost a farthing! That's > why we need visionaries like Al Gore, bold men > not afraid to take on the special interests, leading > by example. I agree. What else is our government good for, if not to impress us with all of it's wizardly expertise and can-do mindset. - The all electric car is technically doable, although having even a small onboard ICE for the minimal cruising needs of sustaining 60+ mph might represent a good compromise, especially if it's contributing zero NOx and minimal CO2 at a hybrid usage of 200 empg per fossil fuel usage. The Electric Car / sci.electronics.design http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/2bfee708dee351b9? On Sep 22, 5:26 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > BradGuthwrote: > > Eeyore wrote: > > >BradGuthwrote: > > > > Luck has little if anything to do with those regular laws of physics, > > > > although the R&D science of getting this 100 empg Hummer or the 200 > > > > empg GM Volt into the dumbfounded hands of the typical village idiot > > > > end-user is going to require some degree of luck. > > > > The 'regular laws of physics' are going to prevent both of those ever happening. > > > Arnt you being a silly brown-nosed clown again, and for otherwise > > being stuck in that land of naysayism, as representing your one and > > only status quo norm. > > I suggest you find out the frontal area and drag coefficient of a Hummer, plus its > weight and rolling resistance. > > If you had the ability to do the required 'sums' I'm sure you'll find that the power > required to propel it under a typical driving regime will never allow '100 mpg' or its > equivalent. Ditto for 200 mpg and the Volt. Double ditto right back at you, as I've been there and done that. Of course double-ditto-duh once again, as it's hybrid city or local commute empg, and having replaced our mostly N2 atmosphere with that robust fluid of h2o2, so that we obtain the most clean energy and best amount of bang per gallon of whatever fossil or biofuel, is actually accomplished within existing physics and doable technology. I believe the mass ratio is something like roughly 7:1 up to 7.2:1 for h2o2/c12h26 (hydrogen peroxide / kerosene or RP-1), a little better on certain heavier fuel oils such as diesel No.2 and perhaps nearly as good enough with plain old gasoline, and a bit worse off with certain biofuels, though all dual fuel injected and 100% computer controlled (of course), so that your little zero NOx engine for that hybrid Hummer or GM Volt can safely mix and match to almost any combination of fossil and biofuels as your heart desires. http://www.dunnspace.com/alternate_ssto_propellants.htm We're also talking about a fairly small radial turbine or some other rotary efficient engine that's driving a direct coupled high speed alternator. I suppose you've got those insurmountable problems with that as well. What's your sorry excuse for being such an all-knowing naysay stick in the mud? - Brad Guth -
From: Eeyore on 23 Sep 2007 20:45 BradGuth wrote: > Eeyore wrote: > > BradGuthwrote: > > > Eeyore wrote: > > > >BradGuthwrote: > > > > > Luck has little if anything to do with those regular laws of physics, > > > > > although the R&D science of getting this 100 empg Hummer or the 200 > > > > > empg GM Volt into the dumbfounded hands of the typical village idiot > > > > > end-user is going to require some degree of luck. > > > > > > The 'regular laws of physics' are going to prevent both of those ever happening. > > > > > Arnt you being a silly brown-nosed clown again, and for otherwise > > > being stuck in that land of naysayism, as representing your one and > > > only status quo norm. > > > > I suggest you find out the frontal area and drag coefficient of a Hummer, plus its > > weight and rolling resistance. > > > > If you had the ability to do the required 'sums' I'm sure you'll find that the power > > required to propel it under a typical driving regime will never allow '100 mpg' or its > > equivalent. Ditto for 200 mpg and the Volt. > > Double ditto right back at you, as I've been there and done that. It very obvious you haven't. Graham
From: BradGuth on 23 Sep 2007 23:33
On Sep 23, 5:45 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > BradGuth wrote: > > Eeyore wrote: > > > BradGuthwrote: > > > > Eeyore wrote: > > > > >BradGuthwrote: > > > > > > Luck has little if anything to do with those regular laws of physics, > > > > > > although the R&D science of getting this 100 empg Hummer or the 200 > > > > > > empg GM Volt into the dumbfounded hands of the typical village idiot > > > > > > end-user is going to require some degree of luck. > > > > > > The 'regular laws of physics' are going to prevent both of those ever happening. > > > > > Arnt you being a silly brown-nosed clown again, and for otherwise > > > > being stuck in that land of naysayism, as representing your one and > > > > only status quo norm. > > > > I suggest you find out the frontal area and drag coefficient of a Hummer, plus its > > > weight and rolling resistance. > > > > If you had the ability to do the required 'sums' I'm sure you'll find that the power > > > required to propel it under a typical driving regime will never allow '100 mpg' or its > > > equivalent. Ditto for 200 mpg and the Volt. > > > Double ditto right back at you, as I've been there and done that. > > It very obvious you haven't. See above, and comprehend. Or is that asking too much? - Brad Guth - |