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From: BradGuth on 28 Sep 2007 17:01 On Sep 28, 1:31 pm, "Eric Gisin" <gi...(a)uniserve.com> wrote: > "BradGuth" <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1190999661.254177.219690(a)g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Sep 27, 10:54 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...(a)earthlink.net> > > wrote: > >> BradGuth wrote: > > >> > Eeyore is simply a traditional usenet naysaying Yid, as a spook, mole > >> > or whatever that's working for and/or on behalf of ExxonMobil, or else > >> > working for Hitler's Third Reich. > > >> > Eeyore is opposed to everything that's not of his idea, and he really > >> > doesn't have any such ideas because it's not within the authority of > >> > his official job. > > >> While you are just a bottom feeding troll. > > > What exactly is your insurmountable hatred of humanity and total > > disdain against or utter disregard of our badly failing environment > > all about? > > Not just a troll, but an excellent example of paranoid schizophrenia. If that's what you folks call the regular laws of physics and the best available science that's replicated to death by others (like Einstein), as being paranoid schizophrenia, then so be it. - Brad Guth -
From: rick_sobie on 28 Sep 2007 17:10 On Sep 28, 9:42 pm, rick_so...(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > And as far as adding anything to the water, like baking soda, don't > > add anything to the water. > > Use the KISS method (Keep it simple stupid. ) > > You want to be able to use pond water, if you are somewhere in the > > country, tap water, or any source of water. > > You might want to filter the water, to keep your cell clean, and use a > > plastic tank, for your water fill up. > > People are actually using this same technology to kill germs and > > bacteria in water, like waste water, raw sewage, because oxygen kills > > bacteria and oxygen is released in the cell. > > One other thing, if you are worried about rust in your cylinders, you > can use a motor additive which improves performance of your car's > engine and keeps things well lubricated. > I am not going to promote any one product, but I did use Slick 50 in > one vehicle and thought it was amazing. Its a Teflon product. But then > Quaker State the maker of that product has been sued for making false > claims related to that product, and many people say it does more > damage than good by plugging up the engine ports and restricting the > flow of oil. > So you are on your own there in designing a way to offset any possible > rust effects to your cylinders. > Small aluminum block engines might be a good thing if you are just > testing your device, you might want to test it on a small cheap used > car like a Fiat orhttp://www.theautochannel.com/news/2002/03/04/036631.html You know if you were doing this as a hobby, at least if I was, I would probably be tempted to get a VW chasis, and a body kit, to make the thing look like a futuristic type sports car when it is done, make sure it had an aluminum block engine, a rebuilt with cylinder sleeves that are high performance and rust resistant. http://www.tpr.co.jp/tp_e/products/cylinderliners/cylinderliners.html A small aluminum block 4 cylinder is going to get great mileage to start with, and when you add your kit, that is going to double your mileage, and so then you end up with a sporty looking car, that is high performance, (HHO is a higher octane fuel) and you might get 80 or 100 mpg. And then if you are showing investors, or even just other hobbyists, they can see the benefits of the system. And by making it sporty it looks modern.
From: rick_sobie on 28 Sep 2007 17:17 On Sep 28, 10:10 pm, rick_so...(a)hotmail.com wrote: > On Sep 28, 9:42 pm, rick_so...(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > > And as far as adding anything to the water, like baking soda, don't > > > add anything to the water. > > > Use the KISS method (Keep it simple stupid. ) > > > You want to be able to use pond water, if you are somewhere in the > > > country, tap water, or any source of water. > > > You might want to filter the water, to keep your cell clean, and use a > > > plastic tank, for your water fill up. > > > People are actually using this same technology to kill germs and > > > bacteria in water, like waste water, raw sewage, because oxygen kills > > > bacteria and oxygen is released in the cell. > > > One other thing, if you are worried about rust in your cylinders, you > > can use a motor additive which improves performance of your car's > > engine and keeps things well lubricated. > > I am not going to promote any one product, but I did use Slick 50 in > > one vehicle and thought it was amazing. Its a Teflon product. But then > > Quaker State the maker of that product has been sued for making false > > claims related to that product, and many people say it does more > > damage than good by plugging up the engine ports and restricting the > > flow of oil. > > So you are on your own there in designing a way to offset any possible > > rust effects to your cylinders. > > Small aluminum block engines might be a good thing if you are just > > testing your device, you might want to test it on a small cheap used > > car like a Fiat orhttp://www.theautochannel.com/news/2002/03/04/036631.html > > You know if you were doing this as a hobby, at least if I was, I would > probably be tempted to get a VW chasis, and a body kit, to make the > thing look like a futuristic type sports car when it is done, make > sure it had an aluminum block engine, a rebuilt with cylinder sleeves > that are high performance and rust resistant.http://www.tpr.co.jp/tp_e/products/cylinderliners/cylinderliners.html > > A small aluminum block 4 cylinder is going to get great mileage to > start with, and when you add your kit, that is going to double your > mileage, and so then you end up with a sporty looking car, that is > high performance, (HHO is a higher octane fuel) and you might get 80 > or 100 mpg. > And then if you are showing investors, or even just other hobbyists, > they can see the benefits of the system. > And by making it sporty it looks modern. And you could do it all, make a high performance sports car, with leather interior, convertible, that gets 80 to 100 mpg for under 10 grand. (So its an easy sell to the wife.) Cheaper than a decent boat! And when its finished, if you do a nice job of it, it will be worth something.
From: John Larkin on 28 Sep 2007 19:18 On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:47:00 -0700, BradGuth <bradguth(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Sep 28, 10:57 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> >wrote: >> Fred Bloggs wrote: >> > Any methodology for electrolysis with reasonable efficiency is good >> > enough when the source of electricity is cheap or free, such as solar, >> > wind, or water. >> >> Electricity from wind curently costs about TWICE the average price of >> conventionally generated grid electricity largely on account of the equipment >> cost. Solar costs far more still. >> >> There is no likelihood that either will ever be cheap and certainly not free. > >A composite of solar and wind derived energy is currently off-the- >shelf worth 40 kw/m2 from a given tower's footprint/foundation that we >and all other forms of worthy life on Earth can affordably and safely >live with. That's only 100 fold better off than anything nuclear, Who cares about footprints and foundations? Making the windmill towers out of skinny carbon-fiber-kevlar composites could reduce their cross-sectional area by a factor of 10. So what? Is kilowatts per square foot of tower cross-section some sort of figure of merit? John
From: Richard The Dreaded Libertarian on 28 Sep 2007 20:01
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:58:47 +0100, Eeyore wrote: > Fred Bloggs wrote: > >> There are very detailed proposals using hybrid >> approaches consisting of electrical, biomass, and chemical processing >> achieving efficiencies in the 8-10% range that are more than workable. >> The only missing component is commitment, and that is influenced by the >> fossil fuels industry and their political lackeys, as per usual. > > Both BP and Shell IIRC are working on various schemes for biomass energy. > Just liposuct all of the fatasses and run everything on the resulting biodeisel. ;-) Cheers! Rich |