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From: Eeyore on 28 Sep 2007 13:57 Fred Bloggs wrote: > Any methodology for electrolysis with reasonable efficiency is good > enough when the source of electricity is cheap or free, such as solar, > wind, or water. Electricity from wind curently costs about TWICE the average price of conventionally generated grid electricity largely on account of the equipment cost. Solar costs far more still. There is no likelihood that either will ever be cheap and certainly not free. Graham
From: Eeyore on 28 Sep 2007 13:58 Fred Bloggs wrote: > There are very detailed proposals using hybrid > approaches consisting of electrical, biomass, and chemical processing > achieving efficiencies in the 8-10% range that are more than workable. > The only missing component is commitment, and that is influenced by the > fossil fuels industry and their political lackeys, as per usual. Both BP and Shell IIRC are working on various schemes for biomass energy. Graham
From: rick_sobie on 28 Sep 2007 14:23 > >http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/28/bush.climate/?iref=mpstoryview But if you guys want to compromise a bit I suppose we could consider doing that. My suggestion is for all garden shed producers of Brown's Gas to stick with supplementing fossil fuels to improve gas mileage. Its safer that way for starters. Until you have things sorted out well. Even if your system can run a car completely, there may be issues of controlling the gas flow and turning off the gas flow, and also producing just the right amount of gas on demand when you press down the accelerator. So you can do what most do, and this is to just put an intake hose, into the plastic housing on the intake manifold side of the air filter. Into the plastic housing of the air intake where the air filter is. So you don't really need to modify the engine or do anything like that, you just create your unit and install it. And since it is just a way to improve gas mileage, the powers that be are less likely to bother you or your company. And for them, well they are faced with this new reality, and it has become painfully obvious, that the people are not going to be stalled by their tactics for making hydrogen power cell vehicles or expensive electric hybrid vehicles. So they are faced with a problem of diminishing tax on fossil fuels. And that is easily remedied by simply charging a road tax on your normal licensing. If you want a user pay system, then you have to charge road miles, according to the odometer of the car, on an honor system, and when the vehicle is sold, the miles have to be up to date. If you don't sell your car, but it goes to the wreckers, well thats an issue you can deal with or not deal with and it is probably not worth dealing with. You can make the car owner pre-buy miles, when they buy a new car but car manufacturers will scream bloody murder because that will deter new car sales. So there is no excuse for not embracing the new technology except for the huge oil lobby. And well, there are other uses for petroleum products such as plastic etc and it is actually worth more, when it is used for other things than just burning it. But you know they will not cooperate period. They are in it for the money and they have fought all attempts to change the oil economy. So we have to just ignore them and work around them, if we want to get anywhere. And the oil economy is not helping America right now. America is sinking in debt. Car manufacturers will be facing a drastic reduction in sales over the next 12 months as well. Their stocks will suffer. Unless they jump on the bandwagon.
From: rick_sobie on 28 Sep 2007 14:40 On Sep 28, 6:29 pm, Maximust <maxi_m...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Erdemal wrote: > > Eeyore wrote: > > >> rick_so...(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > >>> This is what Stan Meyers did. > > >>> Now I have shown 20 videos of people making Brown's Gas, and I will > >>> now show you Stan's device, which incidentally before you flame me, > >>> because I know you hate to see so much Brown's Gas produced because it > >>> makes you look stupid, but hear me out, I know you people railroaded > >>> ol Stan and someone poisoned him at the diner, and he was charged with > >>> fraud and the pentagon stole his patents and all the rest, but keep in > >>> mind people have reproduced this, and got the same results. > > >> Bwahahahahahahaa ! > > >> Stan Meyer was a convicted fraudster amd still you keep falling for it. > > > Galileo too was convicted ! > > Galileo had math on his side. The kooks never have math. > > > One more cover up the majors > > are responsable for. > > > Erdy This guy does pretty controlled experiments and is getting good results. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpQHIO2kw58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpQHIO2kw58
From: rick_sobie on 28 Sep 2007 14:51
On Sep 28, 11:26 am, rick_so...(a)hotmail.com wrote: > On Sep 28, 10:52 am, rick_so...(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > Well I don't know if Stan Meyers method is the best approach or not. > > Basically all the results are similar. > > If it was me, I wouldn't pursue that method because it is > > unnecessarily complex. > > The small round plates with holes in them seemed to produce as much > > gas with that simple configuration. > > You know the 2 inch round plates with 1/8 in holes in them and maybe 5 > > plates stacked together. > > That looks like a good starting point to me. > > > But I can tell you hypothetically how to maximize your gas production. > > > If you consider the molecule H2O it has of course two Hydrogen atoms > > and one Oxygen atom and they are joined by a covalent bond. > > > And if you imagine what it might look like, you have seen pictures of > > a triangle configuration. > > > Well what is happening is that the oxygen nucleus emits a spherical > > wave that crests at the electron shell radius and so do the hydrogen > > nuclei, and together inside that triangle, what happens is the two H > > atoms are producing waves of two times the H frequency and the O atom > > is producing waves at the O frequency and where they combine inside > > that triangle they form a low pressure area, and that causes them to > > be attracted right there. > > > So to break that covalent bond you have to deal with the H frequency O > > frequency combination, know what it might be at that location and then > > change that low pressure area, to a high pressure area and break that > > bond. > > So ultrasound would do it at the right frequency but you don't want > > all sorts of ultrasound pollution in the world either, so you can use > > em waves and experiment to find out what frequency will break that > > bond. > > > Now you also have to take into account the inverse square law, and so > > at the correct distance from your plate or plates will be the correct > > frequency of wave coming off the steel atoms, to interfere with that > > covalent bond. > > So its not enough to say, well lets try a 1/4 in separation, lets try > > 1/8 you are dealing with precision amounts for maximum efficiency. So > > you should experiment with a sliding distance to test for maximum > > production and you should keep in mind the frequency of thos atoms and > > maybe try to modulate on a frequency that will break that bond and you > > can do that by trial and error to reach maximum efficiency as well. > > > Then you have the different metal alloys, like is stainless steel the > > best to use or is nickel better? These are the things you can look at. > > > So if you look at the frequency of H times 2, plus the frequency of O, > > at room temperature and then use your intuition keeping in mind that > > you want to interfere with that frequency. > > Here is something else you can try and that is you know that the > Casimir effect causes a potential between two plates, well that > happens when the atoms in the plates give off waves that interfere > with each other in between them causing a low pressure area which > attracts the plates together. > And that will happen without current going through the plates simply > because the waves given off by the atoms interfere and cancel out. > Now if you take one plate and interfere on the H frequency, and take > the second plate and interfere on the O frequency, you will attract > the H to one plate and the O to the other and that may help to assist > in breaking the bond. > So then what you would want to do to accomplish that is either have > two different alloys, or modulate the frequency differently for each > plate, matching the H frequency with one and the O frequency with the > other. > In this way the waves between the H atoms and the plate will cancel > out leaving a low pressure area which will attract the H and the same > will happen with the O. Here is the stepped up cell... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pjQ9YFj1rU&watch_response It will be interesting to see the improvements in this technology over the next few months. Everyone is moving ahead very quickly and improvements are being made daily. I would look at modulating the frequency of the plates, to see if you can improve production. For 20 bucks I would waste that money to see if RF boosts production. http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84685 |