What do real scientist say about Abiogenesis:Alexandre Meinesz:
in [Physics]
|
Prev: Einstein...The Creationists' Friend.
Next: look upon 231! not as #rearrangements but as volume or time Chapt 19 #221 Atom Totality
From: Devils Advocaat on 20 Jul 2010 08:41 On 20 July, 03:19, AllSeeing-I <allseei...(a)usa.com> wrote: > On Jul 19, 8:13 am, Devils Advocaat <mankyg...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > On 19 July, 09:33, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article > > > <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584...(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Devils Advocaat <mankyg...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > On 19 July, 04:58, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99...(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > > > > alt.atheism: > > > > > > > >In article <4c438...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" > > > > > > ><Ips-Swi...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >>news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > > > > > >> > That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college unde= > > > > rstand > > > > > > >> > biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life > > > > > on this > > > > > > >> > planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. > > > > > Believe it > > > > > > >> > or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biology = > > > > classes > > > > > > >> > don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolution= > > > > ists. > > > > > > > >> Professors of what? =C2=A0Dentistry? =C2=A0French History? =C2=A0If = > > > > they understand > > > > > biology > > > > > > >> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsessed > > > > > with and > > > > > > >> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. > > > > > > > >They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and lif= > > > > e on > > > > > > >this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this planet= > > > > . > > > > > > > He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life. > > > > > > > You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. > > > > > > > Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist.. If he > > > > > > did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. > > > > > > Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a creato= > > > > r > > > > > God was responsible for the creation of mankind. > > > > > > I found information on a website: > > > > > >http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html > > > > > > I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, be > > > > > allowed to say the following: > > > > > =C2=B3It is interesting to contemplate =C5=A0 [all the many forms of life= > > > > on earth] > > > > > =C5=A0 so different from each other, have all been produced by laws actin= > > > > g > > > > > around us. =C5=A0 There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > > > > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > > > > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > > > > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved.=C2=B2 > > > > > Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God > > > > > creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that lif= > > > > e > > > > > evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into plac= > > > > e > > > > > in the universe. > > > > > Would that be allowed? > > > > > Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. > > > > > Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter XV, > > > > > Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. > > > > > If you are going to teach Darwin=C2=B9s theory of evolution in public sch= > > > > ools, > > > > > you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. > > > > > Michael S. Class Author > > > > > Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message for > > > > > Today=C2=B9s Young Americans > > > > > > If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get lots > > > > > of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had these > > > > > words. > > > > > > One internet website stated that the actual words were: > > > > > > There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers having > > > > > been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. > > > > > > Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a resul= > > > > t > > > > > knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this scripture > > > > > in mind when he wrote the above quotation: > > > > > > Genesis 2:7 =C2=A0An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the groun= > > > > d and > > > > > breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a livin= > > > > g > > > > > soul. > > > > > Unlikely conclusion > > > > Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: > > > > "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved." > > > > I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam and > > > perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of plants and > > > animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and animals later > > > evolved. > > > That is your personal interpretation of that statement, but it doesn't > > follow from the context in which it is written. > > > Darwin's view was that God created a few simple organisms at the > > beginning of life and that the process he called natural selection > > resulted in the rich diversity of life as he saw it in the world. > > And just LOOK at how the Atheists have bastardized Darwin's version. Oh dear maddy, you are in a paddy today aren't you. > > If Darwin said that, and I will have to see it for myself, then he was > not too far off from how the bible explains it. Only in the bible it > was a bit more then a "few simple organisms", although that version > cannot be totally ruled out. In all six editions of the "Origin of Species" are the following words: "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one" But from the second edition to the sixth the words "by the Creator" were inserted between "breathed" and "into". Use the link below to see for yourself: http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/search-results?freetext=%22a%20few%20forms%20or%20into%20one%22 > > The bible describes God as creating the categories of life, land sea > and air, with some of them being named specifically.. Out of lifeless matter, which is odd given that a lot of creationists insist that life cannot come from lifeless matter, that it has to come from pre-existing life of the same kind. But then no creationist can come up with a clear cut definition of the word "kind" in that context which will satisfy all creationists, or anyone else for that matter. > > Then he told that life to fill the earth each after his own kind into > the rich diversity of life we see today. God didn't tell them to diversify maddy, at least not according to all the English Bible translations I can gain access to. > > Furthermore, God created "them male and female" when he created these > categories in chapter 1. THEN, in chapter 2 he is described to create > a garden, Adam, Eve and the rest of the domestic animals which Adam > named. > The phrase "male and female he created them" specifically refers to the phrase that precedes it "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; ..." Once again maddy cannot even quote accurately from the Scriptures. > > > > > Which is a completely different angle to the one you are trying to put > > on it.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
From: Mark K Bilbo on 20 Jul 2010 10:24 On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:47:26 -0500, Parish *~ wrote: > "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-1907100133520001(a)66-53-209-75.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> In article >> <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584a89(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, >> >> Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: >> >> "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN ORIGINALLY >> BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and that from >> so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful >> have been, and are being evolved." > > First, why are you adding [BY THE CREATOR] to what he wrote? None of us > can know what he had in his mind at the time. Actually, I think we can. Never authoritatively of course but, still. If you read about his life, Darwin was a bit what we'd call "anal" today. As he could not say with certainty how *life* began, he left the door open for the first cell or cells or whatever to have been "created". We'd call it "theistic evolution" or consider it deistic these days. There was also a bit of fear involved. Fear of the reaction of the Christians (Darwin was quite rational). He left them an "out" with the origin of life, his theory killing special creation of "kinds" as it did. I mean, he knew he was yanking the rug out from under the Eden myth. He hedged by leaving a gap for god to retreat to. <g> Not to mention, deism was much more prevalent and acceptable in the past of the US than recent history. The "clockwork god" who wound things up then went on vacation was more common a belief than later in our history. As in we went through quite a religious mania starting in the late 19th century and the modern fundamentalist movement was born in the early 20th. A nation born of the Enlightenment kind of threw things into reverse gear all of the sudden. -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "Oh honey, I have a fake laugh with your name written all over it." -- Karen Walker
From: Mark K Bilbo on 20 Jul 2010 10:26 On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:51:49 -0700, Jason wrote: > In article <i2368n$pjf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Parish *~" > <Parish(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-1907100133520001(a)66-53-209-75.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> > In article >> > <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584a89(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, >> > >> > Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: >> > >> > "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN ORIGINALLY >> > BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and that from >> > so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most >> > wonderful have been, and are being evolved." >> >> First, why are you adding [BY THE CREATOR] to what he wrote? None of >> us can know what he had in his mind at the time. >> >> > I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam >> > and perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of >> > plants and animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants >> > and animals later evolved. >> >> Where has Darwin mentioned Adam and Eve? Why are you adding them to >> what he wrote. He never mentioned them. > > It's obvious to me that he was talking about God. You are looking at his > statement with evolution colored glasses. I am looking at his statement > knowing full well that Darwin had an excellent understanding of the > Bible and even planned to become a minister. In those days, the vast > majority of the people in the world were Christians. You. Are. An. Idiot. The very quote you posted, the plain text meaning of Darwin's words, show he meant what he said: the first form or forms. As in that single celled life you spit and hiss so much about. He was *NOT* talking about the Eden myth. Not even close. You can't get that from the text. Period. Your willful distortion of text that you, yourself, posted for all to see is flat out *bizarre*. There is something wrong with you. -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
From: Mark K Bilbo on 20 Jul 2010 10:27 On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:45:37 -0700, Jason wrote: > In article <i2382s$1h6$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna DeGanno" > <AD(a)invalid.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-1907101558040001(a)67-150-124-103.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> > Do you recall from the various posts that several people told me or >> > at least strongly implied that I was wrong when I stated that Darwin >> > wrote in his famous book that he believed that God created mankind >> > and life on this planet? >> >> Darwin makes no mention of a god creating mankind. How can you see >> what is not there? >> >> It turns out that I was telling the truth and I proved it. Of >> > course, I knew I was telling the truth since I had seen those same >> > words last year. >> >> Again.... Darwin makes no mention of a god creating mankind. How can >> you see what is not there? What he did not write? >> >> One of the posters told me about those words mentioned above >> > and even I was shocked when I read what Darwin had actually written >> > about his beliefs. It's obvious from his words, that he did not >> > believe that mankind evolved from a single celled life form and he >> > also believed that God created beautiful and wonderful plants and >> > animals. >> >> From what words? >> Darwin makes no mention of a god creating mankind. You're adding the >> "god" to his works. What will you add next? > > "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having > been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst > this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, > from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most > wonderful have been and are being, evolved." > Charles Darwin > > My interpretation: > > God breathed life into Adam and perhaps also into Eve. God also created > an endless number of beautiful and wonderful plants and animals. After > the creation process was finished is when evolution kicked in. That's not what Darwin was saying. That's not in the text you posted. You have serious problems. Do you have access to mental health care? -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "Just because it's inexplicted doesn't mean it's inexplicable." - Dr. House
From: Mark K Bilbo on 20 Jul 2010 10:28
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:48:49 -0500, Saint Heretica wrote: > "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-1807101856100001(a)67-150-125-190.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> >> I have seen poles indicating that about half the people in America >> believe that God created mankind and life on this planet. > > Because half the American people are poorly eduated. That is no secret. Yeah. Like he's seen poles... -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "How did you hurt your back? Running away from good taste?" -- Karen Walker |