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From: Parish *~ on 20 Jul 2010 12:54 "Mark K Bilbo" <gmail(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote in message news:8alps7F2p5U20(a)mid.individual.net... > On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:47:26 -0500, Parish *~ wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-1907100133520001(a)66-53-209-75.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>> In article >>> <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584a89(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, >>> >>> Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: >>> >>> "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN ORIGINALLY >>> BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and that from >>> so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful >>> have been, and are being evolved." >> >> First, why are you adding [BY THE CREATOR] to what he wrote? None of us >> can know what he had in his mind at the time. > > Actually, I think we can. Never authoritatively of course but, still. > > If you read about his life, Darwin was a bit what we'd call "anal" today. > As he could not say with certainty how *life* began, he left the door > open for the first cell or cells or whatever to have been "created". We'd > call it "theistic evolution" or consider it deistic these days. > > There was also a bit of fear involved. Fear of the reaction of the > Christians (Darwin was quite rational). He left them an "out" with the > origin of life, his theory killing special creation of "kinds" as it did. > > I mean, he knew he was yanking the rug out from under the Eden myth. He > hedged by leaving a gap for god to retreat to. <g> > > Not to mention, deism was much more prevalent and acceptable in the past > of the US than recent history. The "clockwork god" who wound things up > then went on vacation was more common a belief than later in our history. > As in we went through quite a religious mania starting in the late 19th > century and the modern fundamentalist movement was born in the early > 20th. A nation born of the Enlightenment kind of threw things into > reverse gear all of the sudden. Thank you. Very interesting. :) -- The Parrish *~, American-American-American. * * * * * * "The Mass is the most perfect form of making money." * * * * * * * *
From: Anna DeGanno on 20 Jul 2010 12:58 "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-1907102345370001(a)67-150-123-117.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <i2382s$1h6$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna DeGanno" <AD(a)invalid.com> > wrote: >> Darwin makes no mention of a god creating mankind. You're adding the >> "god" >> to his works. What will you add next? > "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having > been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst > this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, > from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful > have been and are being, evolved." > � Charles Darwin > > My interpretation: > God breathed life into Adam and perhaps also into Eve. God also created an > endless number of beautiful and wonderful plants and animals. After the > creation process was finished is when evolution kicked in. Well, there is no way to educate you, I can see that. No matter what book you read you will do as the WTS's GB do and change the meaning of what the author wrote. You've learned from the GB that's it's OK to do such a dishonest thing. Darwin never mentioned a god or an Adam and Eve.
From: Ralph on 20 Jul 2010 14:42 On 7/19/2010 10:40 PM, AllSeeing-I wrote: > On Jul 18, 9:48 pm, "Saint Heretica"<inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> "Jason"<Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-1807101856100001(a)67-150-125-190.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> >> >> >>> I have seen poles indicating that about half the people in America believe >>> that God created mankind and life on this planet. >> >> Because half the American people are poorly eduated. That is no secret. >> >> The brainwashing by >> >>> biology professors is not working well. >> >> Biology Professors have no access to the uneducated half of the population >> who believe in gods, demons, ghosts, elves, UFOs etc. If they did, you >> wouldn't find many theists in the USA. :^) How is it Jason that theists >> like you always bad-mouth Scientists and Professors, accuse them of all >> manner of things, but they never badmouth people like you and Gish? How is >> it they have better values and morals than you and Gish and other theists? >> Please answer the question. > > The answer is obvious. The Scientists and Professors are in posession > of the wrong information. According to you. > They know this but teach it anyway. They like their fancy houses and > expensive cars Most professors I knew made a good living but none of them had a fancy house or expensive car. In fact, of all of the occupations in this country professors would probably drive the oldest can least expensive cars.
From: Ralph on 20 Jul 2010 14:44 On 7/20/2010 2:51 AM, Jason wrote: > In article<i2368n$pjf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Parish *~" > <Parish(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> "Jason"<Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-1907100133520001(a)66-53-209-75.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>> In article >>> <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584a89(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, >>> >>> Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: >>> >>> "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN >>> ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and >>> that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most >>> wonderful have been, and are being evolved." >> >> First, why are you adding [BY THE CREATOR] to what he wrote? None of us can >> know what he had in his mind at the time. >> >>> I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam and >>> perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of plants and >>> animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and animals later >>> evolved. >> >> Where has Darwin mentioned Adam and Eve? Why are you adding them to what he >> wrote. He never mentioned them. > > It's obvious to me that he was talking about God. You are looking at his > statement with evolution colored glasses. I am looking at his statement > knowing full well that Darwin had an excellent understanding of the Bible > and even planned to become a minister. In those days, the vast majority of > the people in the world were Christians. What is so obvious to you isn't so obvious to the rest of us. If Darwin wanted to say that why didn't he just say it? He certainly could have made things much easier for himself if he had. He didn't, however, because he didn't feel that it was so.
From: Ralph on 20 Jul 2010 14:47
On 7/20/2010 2:57 AM, Jason wrote: > In article<u5mdnZ9RnJwLd9nRnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph > <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 7/19/2010 6:58 PM, Jason wrote: >>> In article<3bmdnSkL-6miMtnRnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph >>> <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/18/2010 11:58 PM, Jason wrote: >>>>> In article<l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99shu(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>>>> <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Jason(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>>>> alt.atheism: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In article<4c438ffe(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" >>>>>>> <Ips-Switch(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Jason"<Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>>>>>>>> That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college > understand >>>>>>>>> biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life >>>>> on this >>>>>>>>> planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. >>>>> Believe it >>>>>>>>> or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biology >>> classes >>>>>>>>> don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as > evolutionists. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Professors of what? Dentistry? French History? If they understand >>>>> biology >>>>>>>> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsessed >>>>> with and >>>>>>>> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and > life on >>>>>>> this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this planet. >>>>>>> >>>>>> He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life. >>>>>> >>>>>> You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist. If he >>>>>> did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. >>>>> >>>>> Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a creator >>>>> God was responsible for the creation of mankind. >>>>> >>>>> I found information on a website: >>>>> >>>>> http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html >>>>> >>>>> I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, be >>>>> allowed to say the following: >>>>> �It is interesting to contemplate � [all the many forms of life on earth] >>>>> � so different from each other, have all been produced by laws acting >>>>> around us. � There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN >>>>> ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and >>>>> that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most >>>>> wonderful have been, and are being evolved.� >>>>> Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God >>>>> creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that life >>>>> evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into place >>>>> in the universe. >>>>> Would that be allowed? >>>>> Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. >>>>> Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter XV, >>>>> Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. >>>>> If you are going to teach Darwin�s theory of evolution in public schools, >>>>> you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. >>>>> Michael S. Class Author >>>>> Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message for >>>>> Today�s Young Americans >>>>> >>>>> If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get lots >>>>> of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had these >>>>> words. >>>>> >>>>> One internet website stated that the actual words were: >>>>> >>>>> There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers having >>>>> been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. >>>>> >>>>> Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a result >>>>> knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this scripture >>>>> in mind when he wrote the above quotation: >>>>> >>>>> Genesis 2:7 An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground and >>>>> breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living >>>>> soul. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You poor simpleton, that cane from a letter from a reader, not anyone at >>>> the site. If you had read on further you would have found the entire >>>> reading, in context: >>>> >>>> It is interesting to contemplate an entangled bank, clothed with >>>> many plants of many kinds, with birds singing on the bushes, with >>>> various insects flitting about, and with worms crawling through the damp >>>> earth, and to reflect that these elaborately constructed forms, so >>>> different from each other, and dependent on each other in so complex a >>>> manner, have all been produced by laws acting around us. >>>> >>>> These laws, taken in the largest sense, being: >>>> >>>> * Growth with Reproduction, >>>> >>>> * Inheritance, which is almost implied by reproduction. >>>> >>>> * Variability from the indirect and direct action of the external >>>> conditions of life, and from use and disuse. >>>> >>>> * A Ratio of Increase so high as to lead to a Struggle for Life � >>>> >>>> * � and as a consequence to Natural Selection, entailing Divergence >>>> of Character and the Extinction of less-improved forms. >>>> >>>> Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most >>>> exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the >>>> production of the higher animals, directly follows. >>>> >>>> There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, >>>> having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, >>>> whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of >>>> gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and >>>> most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved. >>>> >>>> >>>> Keep pounding the keyboard Jason, you're one of our prime examples of >>>> the type of people who support creationism. >>> >>> Do you recall from the various posts that several people told me or at >>> least strongly implied that I was wrong when I stated that Darwin wrote in >>> his famous book that he believed that God created mankind and life on this >>> planet? It turns out that I was telling the truth and I proved it. >> >> >> Like hell you did, you simpleton. It is difficult for you to hold on to >> that position when all the folks in four NG's can see the posts. Can't >> you see what Darwin said in the above post? Show me where god was >> mentioned above. >> >> >> >> >> Of >>> course, I knew I was telling the truth since I had seen those same words >>> last year. One of the posters told me about those words mentioned above >>> and even I was shocked when I read what Darwin had actually written about >>> his beliefs. It's obvious from his words, that he did not believe that >>> mankind evolved from a single celled life form and he also believed that >>> God created beautiful and wonderful plants and animals. >> >> >> Darwin would have been shocked at your interpretation of his words. > > Read his actual statement--who except for God can breath life. We have all read his statement and like I told you, things would have been much smoother for him had he written such hog wash. |