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From: Lynn W on 29 May 2010 08:03 On 29/05/2010 12:50, in article 1jj97lg.1vtqrjbwvx6iqN%peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk, "Peter Ceresole" <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > >>> A book under the top edge? >> >> Might just work :-) > > It usually does, with laptops. This is similar, just a bit smaller. > > Not too thick; a paperback should do it. But with not being as heavy or large as laptop would it not be in danger of slipping off :-( Lynn Live for today, as tomorrow is not promised
From: T i m on 29 May 2010 08:09 On Sat, 29 May 2010 12:41:12 +0100, jim(a)magrathea.plus.com (Jim) wrote: >Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> jim <address_is(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >> > I need to get a stand for it. Nothing fancy, just a simple dock-and-prop >> > affair. Recommendations sought. >> >> A book under the top edge? > >Might just work :-) > It will be interesting to see how this compromise (as it can only be as judged by the ergonomics gurus) lasts, before people prefer to actually use it as per a std pc / laptop with the screen propped up at 90 deg to the viewer and a real keyboard? The other thought is (thinking of the couple of touch screen devices I do have) how I really don't like having my fingers over the screen I'm also trying to look at. Whilst I will use the Palm T|X with a nail-edge now and again I really prefer to use it with the stylus, less finger obstruction. The Comparing two of my GPS's, the Garmin Quest and the newer touch - screen Nuvi, the button operated Quest offers far more feedback, especially when trying to operate through motorcycle gloves and you don't miss anything on the screen whilst doing so. An iPad with a flip up screen and slide out keyboard / trackpad would be far more interesting to me ... but we nearly have them already in the form of netbooks. ;-) Cheers, T i m
From: Peter Ceresole on 29 May 2010 08:48 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > It will be interesting to see how this compromise (as it can only be > as judged by the ergonomics gurus) lasts, before people prefer to > actually use it as per a std pc / laptop with the screen propped up at > 90 deg to the viewer and a real keyboard? It depends on how you like to work. Going by the laptops I have owned and used (and Anne's MBP) I would hate to have the keyboard at a steep angle. If you want the *screen* upright, then doesn't Apple's keyboard gizmo provide a solution? Although a book under the top edge still provides a perfectly decent screen position. As for slipping off; it depends on the desktop surface. Anne's is leather (old desk) and isn't slippery, so it's nicely stable. She types large amounts of stuff on it (or rather, on the MBP on the desktop). Formica might be another proposition. -- Peter
From: Debbie Wilson on 29 May 2010 09:10 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > Out of interest, any idea what it is about her laptop that is causing > her such stress? I mean is it 'Windows' that is the problem in which > case she could try Ubuntu quite easily? If it's computers in general > then as you say an iPad may be better. Yes, the key word here is 'technophobic' :-) She used to have an original iMac which got too old and slow to be useful. I convinced her that a Dell laptop would not only be more compatible with her friends and family, but easier on the pocket too. Bad me.... She hates it with a passion because unlike her Mac, it doesn't just let you get on with things, but is always asking you if you want to do this or that, update so-and-so, fix a problem with something else. She neither knows nor cares what these things are and it just frustrates her. An iPad would be perfect - simple icons to tap and access basic stuff like email, web and photos is really all she wants. Ability to connect up camera, and to print out said photos and some emails. But pointless if she has to connect it to a computer (e.g. her hated Dell) in order to have it. Deb. -- http://www.scientific-art.com "He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would; He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S. Greenfield
From: T i m on 29 May 2010 09:13
On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:48:55 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote: >T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > >> It will be interesting to see how this compromise (as it can only be >> as judged by the ergonomics gurus) lasts, before people prefer to >> actually use it as per a std pc / laptop with the screen propped up at >> 90 deg to the viewer and a real keyboard? > >It depends on how you like to work. Of course, however there things other than 'what we like' that may need to be considered here, as with wrist support / RSI with any std setup). > >Going by the laptops I have owned and used (and Anne's MBP) I would hate >to have the keyboard at a steep angle. Of course? >If you want the *screen* upright, then doesn't Apple's keyboard gizmo >provide a solution? So that means the 'screen' is now on your desk? > Although a book under the top edge still provides a >perfectly decent screen position. On your desk? > >As for slipping off; it depends on the desktop surface. Anne's is >leather (old desk) and isn't slippery, so it's nicely stable. A nice stable desk. ;-) > She types >large amounts of stuff on it (or rather, on the MBP on the desktop). And the on-screen keyboard on the iPad probably wouldn't be sufficient for her. >Formica might be another proposition. ;-) No, my point that whilst I can see the iPad is good for those things it's good at (portability, speed of use, ease of use) I predict it will in many cases, end up being used like a PC / Laptop, with a real keyboard on the desk and the screen propped up. Nothing wrong with that of course, you can take it mobile and use it better on the desk but then I wonder how long it is before you look at it and don't actually unplugging it and finding a pace for it in yer bag or a pocket big enough. I think for many people the iPhone with continue to be the best solution because it is still a phone at least, can browse the web (at a pinch <g>) and run all the apps etc. It's also something that most people would be happy to just slip into their pockets no matter where they were going. When you are at work or home you would probably use a real computer or watch a real TV in any case? My mates Mrs loves her iPod touch and because of her 'casual' interest in browsing stuff, uses it quite a bit. She uses her Blackberry for browsing the web when out and about. My mate (her hubby), has no need or interest to do either and has 3 PC's at home and a load at work (and is generally at one location or the other). Thinking on this, 'the' solution for me .... if it had to be just one, all-in-one would probably be one of those devices where it can be used as more a laptop, folding screen with a real keyboard, trackpad, ports and OS flexibility but the touch screen can be undocked and is itself the 'brains' (WiFi etc). I think someone is / was making such a thing .... Asus possibly? Cheers, T i m |