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From: Joerg on 18 May 2010 20:45 Jim Thompson wrote: > On Tue, 18 May 2010 16:40:57 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > [snip] >>> A Dollar number means nothing because electricity is much cheaper in >>> Florida. How many kWh in one month? Last month's bill was typical here, >>> 652kWh which comes to around $75. And this includes: >>> >>> - Running a 3000+ sqft building >>> - Pool pumps which eat the lion's share >>> - Security perimeter lighting all night >>> - HP boat anchors running all day long >> >> Mine was 406 kWh with two refrigerators, electric heat, all the >> computers and lighting. Then there is the computer network with the >> cable Modem, various servers, hubs & ethernet switches, plus TV and CCTV >> security cameras. Add a couple laser printers and three inkjet. >> >> BTW, my TV draws less than you NAS, what little time it's on. A whole >> 6 W, a few hours a day. >> >> >> My electric rate is: >> >> Base Rate : 6.886 cents/ kWh >> Fuel Charge : 4.611 cents/ kWh >> Total Charge: 11.497 cents/ kWh >> >> or $46.68 + tax. >> > [snip] > > 4597 kWh / $347.79 .... 7.566�/kWh > Per month? Ouch! [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 18 May 2010 20:57 Joerg wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > Joerg wrote: > >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>> Joerg wrote: > >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > [...] > > >>>>> Would you like to compare electric usage? > >>>>> > >>>> WRT my file server, yes, anytime. Hint: It runs on a wee 12V line. > >>> > >>> I'm talking the total usage for your home & business. My bill has > >>> run around $50 for the last few months. ... > >> A Dollar number means nothing because electricity is much cheaper in > >> Florida. How many kWh in one month? Last month's bill was typical here, > >> 652kWh which comes to around $75. And this includes: > >> > >> - Running a 3000+ sqft building > >> - Pool pumps which eat the lion's share > >> - Security perimeter lighting all night > >> - HP boat anchors running all day long > > > > > > Mine was 406 kWh with two refrigerators, electric heat, all the > > computers and lighting. Then there is the computer network with the > > cable Modem, various servers, hubs & ethernet switches, plus TV and CCTV > > security cameras. Add a couple laser printers and three inkjet. > > > > Electric heat? In Florida? File a request for your fair share of global > warming. And then be kind and send some of that over here. Ten years ago I didn't even need a heater, and the fact that the propane furnace had rusted out from not being used, didn't matter. I had the heat on for most of two months, around the clock and at night, the rest of the time. All the Global Warming is in Politics. They suck the heat from other areas to create smoke screens, to try to hid their dirty deals. :( > > BTW, my TV draws less than you NAS, what little time it's on. A whole > > 6 W, a few hours a day. > > > > > > My electric rate is: > > > > Base Rate : 6.886 cents/ kWh > > Fuel Charge : 4.611 cents/ kWh > > Total Charge: 11.497 cents/ kWh > > > > or $46.68 + tax. > > > > > > > >>> ... There is at least one computer > >>> on, around the clock. At times, there are five or more for hours at a > >>> time. If you can get by with what you have, that's great, but I have > >>> close to 500 CD-ROMs full of driver software, and around 120 GB of > >>> drivers and other information scattered across a bunch of older hard > >>> drives. Also, a server doesn't have to run 24/7 for my needs. I > >>> generally only spend some time, two or three days a week working on old > >>> computers. Your image of a server is a full rack with a dedicated 30 > >>> 240 VAC service. Mine is a rack mount cased computer that draws about > >>> the same as an average desktop computer. > >>> > >> Have you measured it? Rack mounted servers can be real power hogs. > > > > Measure what? I told you that I haven't picked it up, yet. How much > > over the 325 Watt power supply rating do you think you'll get before the > > supply dies? > > > >> The li'l 12V LAN drive I have is 500GB. They also have 1TB, 2TB and 4TB > >> versions at similar economic power intake but I don't need this much and > >> thus didn't want to spend the extra dough for something I'll never need. > > > > > > You're comparing apples & oranges. You have NAS, not a server. > > > > What difference does it make in daily life? (other than that mine is > much more economical). All you have is a hard drive with an ethernet port. It's not a server. It can't take care of E-mail, newsgroups, FTP or host a website. It is barely a glorified 'USB memory stick' with a power cord. You can't plug a monitor or keyboard into it. There are hundreds of things it won't do. You can't drop in a sound card and use it to stream background music, or operate a mailing list. You can't run MFP software, or a database of customers, or a membership list for a non profit group. It isn't economical if it can't do what I need it to. Look at Apache, Joomla and other software needed for a modern server. Add Leafnode for a personal NNTP server and you can trap almost every speck of Spam. You can't do any of that with just an external hard drive with a crippled Linux install. > >> It uses around 10W when running, BTW. Try that with your server. > >> > >>> The HP ProLiant DL140 I posted a link to has a single 325 W power > >>> supply, which is smaller than a lot of desktop computers. For one thing, > >>> servers don't need fancy video cards that can double the power > >>> requirements. Some have redundant supplies, but can run on a single > >>> supply. Server power supplies are usually better designed, and more > >>> efficient than the $6 supply shipped with a new desktop. If they > >>> weren't, servers would drop like flies. It would cost a lot more to > >>> cool a data center, and require larger backup power sources. > >>> > >>> Servers don't need large and power hungry monitors. They don't need > >>> chrome bumpers or tail fins, either. They are designed to do a job > >>> reliably, and efficiently > >>> > >> My LAN drive doesn't either, makes very little noise, and it's smaller > >> than my bible :-) > > > > > > The KJV bible is about 5 MB of text. > > > > I meant the physical size :-) I know what you meant, and what you said. :) > Although I do have the New Testament in SMT, size of a cigarette pack, > for the road. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 18 May 2010 21:02 Jim Thompson wrote: > > On Tue, 18 May 2010 16:40:57 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > [snip] > >> > >> A Dollar number means nothing because electricity is much cheaper in > >> Florida. How many kWh in one month? Last month's bill was typical here, > >> 652kWh which comes to around $75. And this includes: > >> > >> - Running a 3000+ sqft building > >> - Pool pumps which eat the lion's share > >> - Security perimeter lighting all night > >> - HP boat anchors running all day long > > > > > > Mine was 406 kWh with two refrigerators, electric heat, all the > >computers and lighting. Then there is the computer network with the > >cable Modem, various servers, hubs & ethernet switches, plus TV and CCTV > >security cameras. Add a couple laser printers and three inkjet. > > > > BTW, my TV draws less than you NAS, what little time it's on. A whole > >6 W, a few hours a day. > > > > > >My electric rate is: > > > >Base Rate : 6.886 cents/ kWh > >Fuel Charge : 4.611 cents/ kWh > >Total Charge: 11.497 cents/ kWh > > > > or $46.68 + tax. > > > [snip] > > 4597 kWh / $347.79 .... 7.566�/kWh > > 2x 5 Ton A/C Units > Pool/Spa/Water Fall Pumps > > 4 PC's on 24/7 > > Separate Sub Zero Refrigerator and freezer > > Freezer in garage > > Aquarium pumps 24/7 > > All-Electric except for BBQ: propane. I forgot the well pump, the 60 Gal 'Husky' (Campbell Hausfeld) air compressor, the drill press, and other metalworking tools. I have a propane stove in the kitchen, but I am planning to rip it out and replace it with a good electric stove. There are two gas BBQ grills I'm getting rid of, too. The only gas tanks I want are the pair for the Oxy-Acetylene torch. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
From: Jim Thompson on 18 May 2010 21:02 On Tue, 18 May 2010 17:45:34 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Tue, 18 May 2010 16:40:57 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> [snip] >>>> A Dollar number means nothing because electricity is much cheaper in >>>> Florida. How many kWh in one month? Last month's bill was typical here, >>>> 652kWh which comes to around $75. And this includes: >>>> >>>> - Running a 3000+ sqft building >>>> - Pool pumps which eat the lion's share >>>> - Security perimeter lighting all night >>>> - HP boat anchors running all day long >>> >>> Mine was 406 kWh with two refrigerators, electric heat, all the >>> computers and lighting. Then there is the computer network with the >>> cable Modem, various servers, hubs & ethernet switches, plus TV and CCTV >>> security cameras. Add a couple laser printers and three inkjet. >>> >>> BTW, my TV draws less than you NAS, what little time it's on. A whole >>> 6 W, a few hours a day. >>> >>> >>> My electric rate is: >>> >>> Base Rate : 6.886 cents/ kWh >>> Fuel Charge : 4.611 cents/ kWh >>> Total Charge: 11.497 cents/ kWh >>> >>> or $46.68 + tax. >>> >> [snip] >> >> 4597 kWh / $347.79 .... 7.566�/kWh >> > >Per month? Ouch! > >[...] It's about half that in Winter. In July it will be close to double. IIRC you have virtually no cooling expense, just cords and cords and cords... :-P ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | The only thing bipartisan in this country is hypocrisy
From: Joel Koltner on 18 May 2010 21:06
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