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From: RogerN on 29 Apr 2010 19:30 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.2642c3681ed53dfb989805(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <4_qdnd_4z4BLI0XWnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > regor(a)midwest.net says... >> One thing we do know about God is that he can not lie. See if DfromBC >> can >> understand the book of Esther and see where a God that cannot lie fits >> in. >> >> RogerN >> >> > > Genesis chapter 11:26 to 25:10. > 'Some time after the birth of Isaac, Abraham was commanded by God to > offer his son up as a sacrifice in the land of Moriah. > Just as Abraham was about to sacrifice his son, he was prevented by an > angel, and given on that spot a ram which he sacrificed in place of his > son.' > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham So, God asks Abraham to give his son's life, this sounds strangely familiar. And Abraham believes that if he gives his son's life, that his son will be raised from the dead, something familiar there too. But Abrahams said God would provide the sacrifice, I've heard that somewhere in the New Testament I think, Hmmm. RogerN
From: RogerN on 29 Apr 2010 20:20 "Jon Kirwan" <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote in message news:cm1kt5pb5mdqe46rjqapd2o40c0f1130k8(a)4ax.com... >>> > > You really need to do some of your own translation. Another > possibility would be for you to accept (embrace for a moment) > the idea of using multiple _translations_ and not only one > _version_. You can get a bit closer, that way. > > Also, don't nit pick but look at the larger picture being > discussed. The message is the important thing, not some > legalistic word-smith view. > <snip> OK, from the Gospel according to Matthew: 8: 13Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! It will be done just as you believed it would." And his servant was healed at that very hour. 9: 21She said to herself, "If I only touch his cloak, I will be healed." 22Jesus turned and saw her. "Take heart, daughter," he said, "your faith has healed you." And the woman was healed from that moment. 28When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, "Do you believe that I am able to do this?" "Yes, Lord," they replied. 29Then he touched their eyes and said, "According to your faith will it be done to you"; 30and their sight was restored. 10: 42And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward." 14: 28"Lord, if it's you," Peter replied, "tell me to come to you on the water." 29"Come," he said. Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, "Lord, save me!" 31Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. "You of little faith," he said, "why did you doubt?" 15: 28Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour. 17: 19Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, "Why couldn't we drive it out?" 20He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you." 27"But so that we may not offend them, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours." If Peter sold all his possessions, where did he get a line to catch a fish? 18: 5"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7"Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! 21: 21Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. 22If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer." 25: 34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' Give someone doing God's will a drink of water and you inherit the kingdom? That's not much _DO_. RogerN
From: Jon Kirwan on 29 Apr 2010 20:41 Hi, Roger. I just wondered if you understood there was a profound and large message. You asked about the meaning of the grace of god and I wanted you to look at the larger picture in the gospels. In return, you quoted. I still want you to go and look at the larger picture. If you think this is simple, or if you think this is easily answered by quoting scripture, then you are dead wrong. I pointed you to a term you can look up, which will bring you at least _some_ of the surrounding debates. But the fact is that smarter people than you and me have looked over the scriptures far more than you and I have and they have still not come to a single answer. If they had, at least SOME of the Protestant reformation would have lost some of its effect. The fact is, this isn't an easy question to resolve and scriptural passages alone won't cut it, either. Quoting them to me changes none of that, just as it changed none of the earlier debates by those far better informed than either of us. I merely wanted you to get a flavor of the depth and textures here. Quoting tells me that you still see "two-tones" in a world filled with color. I'll have to just leave it there. Jon
From: Jon Kirwan on 29 Apr 2010 20:43 And I still wonder if you understand the hard path being asked by Jesus. Do you? Jon
From: Archimedes' Lever on 29 Apr 2010 21:21
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:47:29 -0500, John Fields <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: >> >>When some of the molecules I once used become part of a tree used for >>firewood. > >--- >Cheater. > >JF Quite funny. Hahahaha. |