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From: RogerN on 4 May 2010 19:21 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.26496f45f0c78a2898981e(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <3l1ns59hs5dnismh3vkdmoedb3vte2p1at(a)4ax.com>, > jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... >> >> >It is unethical when coercion is involved in having a leg fixed. >> >'I'll fix it ..but first you need to do this and that and this and >> >that.' >> >> --- >> As I see it, all that's required for your leg to be fixed is that you >> believe that it _can_ be fixed and then that you turn the repair over to >> someone who you believe is competent to fix it. > > My point is not about what is believed. It's about what God wants first. > It's like God wants $100000 up front before helping. > Instead of paying $100000 upfront, God will help if you are a real > Christian and if you pray. No praying or else nothing. > That is coercion. Again, that is your own twist to the facts. The fact is that while we were yet sinners, God sent Jesus to die for us so that we could be restored to him. God's doing things his way, not your way. We turned away from God, why is it wrong to turn to him? Face the facts, you are not wanting reason or evidence, you are wanting to pick on others because it makes you feel better about yourself. If God exists or not, it doesn't solve the problem that you feel the need to pick on others to justify yourself. RogerN
From: D from BC on 5 May 2010 14:50 In article <IrOdnWl6TvubMX3WnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > > My point is not about what is believed. It's about what God wants first. > > It's like God wants $100000 up front before helping. > > Instead of paying $100000 upfront, God will help if you are a real > > Christian and if you pray. No praying or else nothing. > > That is coercion. > > Again, that is your own twist to the facts. The fact is that while we were > yet sinners, God sent Jesus to die for us so that we could be restored to > him. God's doing things his way, not your way. We turned away from God, > why is it wrong to turn to him? God's way/rule/system is create a 'You owe me big time' situation. People are built too dumb to use reason to create ethics and therefore sin like mental patients. God then improves the sin defect issue by sending Jesus on a suicide mission. God's way/rule/system is to create a 'You owe me big time' situation. God creates a situation that begs for reciprocity. 'You owe me ..Pay up.' Since God deliberately created the situation for reciprocity, then it's a form of manipulation. This type of manipulation is called coercion. > > Face the facts, you are not wanting reason or evidence, you are wanting to > pick on others because it makes you feel better about yourself. If God > exists or not, it doesn't solve the problem that you feel the need to pick > on others to justify yourself. > > RogerN > You got the wrong God. You are praying to a lesser God. You are not praying to a superior God. A superior God is powerful enough to do automatic prayer extrapolation using the powers of omnipresence and hyperintelligence. God knows what you'd pray before you'd pray it. God will do whatever it wants with or without prayer. Prayer is superfluous. Christian engineers are ridiculous in believing in a mafia God that sets the stage for payback for Jesus. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: D from BC on 5 May 2010 18:09 In article <3l1ns59hs5dnismh3vkdmoedb3vte2p1at(a)4ax.com>, jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... > >IF a doctor were all-seeing/all-powerful(like god) then that doctor > >would violate the Hippocratic oath whenever he didn't help people. > > --- > AIUI, the Hippocratic oath doesn't require doctors to try to heal people > who don't want to be healed. > --- > > >Even if God exists, God is ridiculously immoral in violating the > >Hippocratic oath and violating good Samaritan law. > > --- > So what you want is for God to keep everyone alive who wants to die? > --- > > >All expected behavior for something that doesn't exist. > > --- > If it doesn't exist, then how could its behavior be expected? > > JF > Nonexistent things can be given attributes. An active imagination can make attributes/characteristics to something real or not. When attributes are giving to an imaginary thing, that gives the illusion that the imaginary thing is not imaginary. 'OBEY YOUR GOD NOW!' is an attribute. Real or not there is the impression of something real. The assignment of attributes to a concept (real or not) can easily be done. What separates real from unreal is by evidence, testing and repeatability. It's the application of the scientific method to separate what's real and what's not real. Imaginary things do have expected characteristics. 1) Have no evidence 2) Fails tests 3) Fails detection 4) Fails repeatability 5) Has no explanation 6) Doesn't communicate 7) Cannot be located 8) Indistinguishable from other 'no evidence' entities. 9) Doesn't present itself 10) Super powerful hiding ability (The mighty leprechauns are excellent at hiding.) 11) Actions indistinguishable from other 'no evidence' entities. The base requirement for something imaginary is that it does nothing in reality. Christian engineers are ridiculous to apply the scientific method to engineering but not apply the scientific method on God. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: RogerN on 5 May 2010 19:50 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.264a855f319cb9f2989820(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <RqGdnY5bk5S7An3WnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > regor(a)midwest.net says... >> >> "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message >> news:MPG.26492f1bf28e723198981c(a)209.197.12.12... >> > In article <M-WdnRkBdt0c-ELWnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, >> > regor(a)midwest.net says... >> >> If you go to the emergency room where I live and they help you, thank >> >> God >> >> because it is a miracle! The only thing the ER does well around here >> >> is >> >> sending the bill. >> >> >> >> I can watch a movie that I've seen many times and I can know what is >> >> going >> >> to happen, however this doesn't make me responsible for what happens >> >> in >> >> the >> >> movie. However if the director asks me to determine what happens, >> >> then I >> >> can both know what is going to happen and be the cause of what >> >> happens. >> >> The >> >> difference is in the asking. You'll have to excuse God for not doing >> >> what >> >> he's not asked to do. >> >> >> >> You arrive in the ER. >> >> >> >> Doctor: What can I do for you? >> >> You: You're the doctor, you should know. >> > >> > If God is omniscient,omnipresent and good, there's no reason to (pray >> > to)/ask for something. >> >> But God says otherwise, > > If God requires prayer then God is an manually operated God. > iows.. God is a genie in a bottle. > <snip> Actually, in case you haven't noticed, prayer isn't all that good at moving God either. Some people pray and pray and never get what they want. If you want God's attention you have to come to him on his terms, not yours, not mine, not any atheists, or anybody else's. If you want to prove that the God of the Bible doesn't exists, try it his way, if he doesn't respond when you do it his way then you can know. RogerN
From: D from BC on 5 May 2010 22:44
In article <Psudnb_iqMjGmX_WnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > > Actually, in case you haven't noticed, prayer isn't all that good at moving > God either. Some people pray and pray and never get what they want. That's are 5 possibilities to explain why a request type prayer may not be answered by God: 1) God has good reason to not grant your prayer. 2) Wrong God. 3) There is no God. 4) God doesn't hear prayers. 5) Wrong definition of God. > want God's attention you have to come to him on his terms, not yours, not > mine, not any atheists, or anybody else's. If you want to prove that the > God of the Bible doesn't exists, try it his way, if he doesn't respond when > you do it his way then you can know. > > RogerN > > > Huh?? Your last part doesn't make any sense. Do you mean it takes a God to disprove a God?? How about all the Christians pray that God appears and God drops 6 billion copies of a better bible using magic paper. The magic paper is understood by all languages. The magic paper is impervious to all forms of mistranslation. It's the real magic bible for Dummies. http://www.inspire4less.com/productimages/9780764552960.jpg Christian engineers are ridiculous in believing in a God that is ineffective and retarded at spreading a religion. -- D from BC British Columbia |