Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 19 Jun 2008 23:30 On Jun 20, 10:00 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jun 19, 12:06�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > Well, what you are saying is that the Biblical account of the Assyrian > > > invasion of Judea is fiction. �What part of it do you claim is > > > fiction? �So far we have discussed the earthen ramp and Hezekiah's > > > tunnel. �Are you still claiming that those are fiction? > > > You're still claiming London doesn't exist, huh? > > > I don't know either account, so really don't have an opinion. Have you > > considered that maybe neither account is accurate? If pressed, I would > > go with the explanation with the best evidential support. I don't have a > > reason to decide at this point. > > > Happy to be agnostic on something! > > OK, well, my opinion is that unless an atheist has an opinion about > Hezekiah's tunnel and the earthen ramp, it is a waste of time to try > to discuss the Bible with that person. > Robert B. Winn Then why do you keep trying to discuss the bible with everyone? You were the one to raise the issue of the tunnel. No-one since has argued that the tunnel doesn't exist. Was there some other detail of the tunnel you wanted to discuss? The methods of stone work maybe? The previous two water courses? Al
From: Darrell Stec on 19 Jun 2008 23:35 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 18, 11:17�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 18, 1:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>> The tunnel, in an historical context 'could be called a fake'? >> >>>> The ramp in an historical context 'could be called a fake'? >> >>> That is correct, and in fact an atheist a few years back did claim >> >>> that Hezekiah's tunnel was a hoax. � But we have to look at the world >> >>> today and consider, who would move the amount of dirt in the ramp or >> >>> dig a tunnel just to perpetrate a hoax? �The Biblical account is the >> >>> correct one. >> >> Did you find one? A tunnel-denier?! I'd LOVE to see the post!! I think >> >> I'd frame the freakin' thing! >> >> >> Your conclusion is faulty. It MIGHT be right, but it likely isn't.- >> >> Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > Well, it is not faulty. �Where are you going to find people today who >> > would make a ramp or a tunnel without being paid a lot of money? >> > Back then, they were working pretty much without pay. >> >> Can you produce that post? I really would love to see it, it might quell >> those cries of "liar!" for a bit. :-) >> >> Not sure what point you're making about the sites. Can you expand on it?- >> Hide quoted text - >> > > Some atheist a couple of years ago claimed that Hezekiah's tunnel was > a hoax perpetrated by Jerusalem tour guides. > Robert B. Winn Why are you lying? Who was this atheist and what message ID was the article? -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec(a)neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
From: Darrell Stec on 19 Jun 2008 23:36 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 18, 11:45 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 18, 12:13�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >>news:87b0e53d-5a57-49b1-b3d0-a331560793fb(a)c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... >> >> >>> On Jun 17, 10:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >>>>news:d6db0a86-413e-4057-a2cf-40363e9b8a34(a)a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> >>>>> Well some people might not be convinced by your video footage. >> >>>>> There are many people who believe that the Apollo moon landings >> >>>>> were faked. Robert B. Winn >> >>>> It's not my fault if other people have mental health problems or are >> >>>> gullible enough to swallow any wild- assed claim they come across. >> >>>> Anyway, if my video footage is insufficient evidence, what makes >> >>>> your 2,000 >> >>>> year old book o' blood and that silly Mormon bible more convincing? >> >>> Well, you atheists did not do very well with regard to the Assyrian >> >>> invasion of Judea. >> >> I can assure you we had absolutely nothing to do with it. >> >> >>> The Bible seems to have its facts a lot straighter >> >>> than you atheists do. >> >> There are very few facts in the bible at all. >> >> It is a magic story based around real (and sometimes non- existent ) >> >> locations. >> >> >>> Was there some other specific thing that you >> >>> atheists wanted to discuss? >> >> How about your inability to differentiate fantasy from reality? >> >> > I think I do fairly well. Hezekiah's tunnel is real. The earthen >> > ramp over the city wall at Lachish is real. Harry Potter is not real. >> >> Ah, but London is! Is the Bible? It may be, we haven't refuted anything >> yet. But your logic is not supportive of your claims.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I actually know a man from London, England. I make doors and window > frames for him sometimes. He soes not believe in Harry Potter either. > Robert B. Winn What is his name and address? I think you are lying. -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec(a)neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
From: Free Lunch on 20 Jun 2008 00:47 On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:00:13 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in alt.atheism: > >"Free Lunch" <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >news:e1cj549ar4tpoi7d34brkf5fku9tp0up1a(a)4ax.com... >> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:50:50 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote >> in alt.atheism: >> > > >>>I don't need to imagine Marmite. I eat it every day. God's food. Puts >>>hair on your chest. >> >> Is God evil in your pantheon? > >Au contraire -- Marmite and its colonial variant Vegemite are signs of >divine favour! It's heaven-sent manna to sustain the British Empire on its >manifest destiny of carrying the white man's burden. A slice of toast with >Marmite and a cup of Yorkshire Gold Blend tea for breakfast give us the >strength to go forth and bring the blessings of civilisation and cricket to >the benighted peoples of the world. With Marmite in our bellies, we fear >nothing, even ugly native mobs armed with bananas or loganberries! On the other hand, they tend to thrash you soundly when it comes to soccer, cricket, or rugby. I suppose that counts as success.
From: rbwinn on 20 Jun 2008 01:30
On Jun 19, 5:55 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > Well, go ahead and talk about God, but I can tell you ahead of time, > > you do not know anything about God. No atheist does. > > Robert B. Winn > > nahh...we'll discus what we want...you choose your fiction..and > that's all you have been expressing faith in..nothing else...and we'll > point out our fiction...and we won't base a worldview on our inability > to deal with reality like you do....Don't like it? Pray for > us...otherwise..tough... > > -- > Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the > question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, 'Is it > right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is > neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because conscience tells one > it is right. > Martin Luther king Jr.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, people would do better if they learned to do their own praying. Robert B. Winn |