Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 6 Jul 2008 16:59 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 6, 12:57 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 5, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 4, 8:37�pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> On Jul 4, 11:32 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:26:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2:57 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 4:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an >>>>>>>>>>>>> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not >>>>>>>>>>>>> worth considering. >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I consider God to be sufficient support. ?If you think He is >>>>>>>>>>>> not, ?go ahead and try to prove it. >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>> Please provide any evidence that any claim ever made about God is true. >>>>>>>>>> Well, there is an earthen ramp that the Assyrian army built to get >>>>>>>>>> over the city wall at Lachish. >>>>>>>>> So? I have built several earthen ramps. >>>>>>>>> Am I then God? >>>>>>>>>> Atheists do not believe in the earthen ramp. >>>>>>>>> well firstly that is false, because I do believe in earthen ramps, >>>>>>>>> having built many, and I am an atheist. >>>>>>>>> And secondly what has the fact that �person B may or may not believe >>>>>>>>> statement X, have to do with the existence, or not, of personality Z? >>>>>>>> God did not build the earthen ramp. �The Assyrian army did. �God would >>>>>>>> have preferred that they did not build it and had left the city of >>>>>>>> Lachish and its inhabitants alone. >>>>>>> Are you saying that God was powerless to stop them? >>>>>> The bible contains enormous mistakes to glorify god yet plainly >>>>>> telling us that god is a useless being. >>>>>> The early Jews who wrote it were not educated, or might be drunk. Yes, >>>>>> more drunk than wake.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, as you say, if you think God is a useless being, then you will >>>>> choose to be with the beings you think of as being useful, other >>>>> atheists. >>>> So you concede there are many mistakes or untruths in the Bible then?- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Why does it depend on me? The Bible is what it is. If you do not >>> like the Bible, read something else. >> No answer? I just wanted to know how reliable you thought the Bible was. >> I know it to be full of errors and distortions, just wondered what your >> position on it was. You seem to think it better than other sacred texts >> for some reason.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I think the Bible is very reliable. The Jews were very meticulous as > far as preserving ancient writings. For instance, the Dead Sea > scrolls of Isaiah are a good example of how accurately the Bible was > translated. The Bible was very accurately transcribed - for humans. They did an amazing job. Not a perfect job, there are lots of differences between the early versions we have, but not bad for a bunch of people. It's the content that I find even less reliable though, that's what I was driving at, and I think you know that. Much reported as history in the Bible simply never happened. No global flood, no special creation, no exodus...
From: BuddyThunder on 6 Jul 2008 17:16 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 6, 1:00 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 5, 3:53�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:62956527-c824-415d-93ab-cdbf47127a02(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Jul 4, 9:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>> For the umpteenth time, we cannot tell Jesus anything. >>>>> If he existed at all, he died nearly 2,000 years ago. >>>>> Apart from an alleged brief visit shortly afterward, he hasn't been seen >>>>> since. >>>>> How can we tell him anything, huh? >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> Well, it is called prayer. �Christians are commanded to pray. >>>> ==================== >>>> And you're sure your prayer gets through ... even though no-one in the >>>> history of Christian prayer has ever answered. �You know, if I dial a number >>>> and get no connection, I may try a few more times, but sooner or later I >>>> realise that there's no phone at the other end .... >>> Well, mine get answered. What made you think they were not? >> Shall we do some double-blind tests? Would you like to submit that claim >> to scrutiny? It would really help me believe, because theists are always >> talking about answered prayer, and mine were met with nothing but stony >> silence.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth > to all men liberally, and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him. > 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth > is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed, > 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the > Lord. I wouldn't expect God to start taking *my* calls now after having ignored them entirely for five years, but *you* still have faith. We could test the efficacy of *your* prayers. Feel up to it? :-)
From: BuddyThunder on 6 Jul 2008 17:18 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 6, 1:01�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> Smiler wrote: >>> "Free Lunch" <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >>> news:i2nt649tvtdd1sofkag02co4c9n4s1vt6e(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 19:26:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>> On Jul 4, 8:42?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>> On Jul 4, 3:03?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>> Alex W. wrote: >>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. >>>>>>>>>> =========== >>>>>>>>>> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart >>>>>>>>>> choice is >>>>>>>>>> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... >>>>>>>>> No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. ?However, atheists claim >>>>>>>>> that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. >>>>>>>> Which to me indicates you have no idea what sin, or repentance, is. >>>>>>>>> ========== >>>>>>>>> Sin is a social construct. ?It exists irrespective of the god(s) >>>>>>>>> worshipped >>>>>>>>> ... or not, as the case may be.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Sin is wilful disobedience of God. ?Repentance is confessing and >>>>>>> forsaking sin. >>>>>> As far as we can tell, God is a human invention. God never told us to do >>>>>> anything. Sin, therefore, is also a human invention.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> So once an atheist enters into sin, there is no turning back from >>>>> it. � I guess that was why Josef Stalin killed 12 million people. >>>> God is still a human invention. Clearly the fear of God does not stop >>>> you from lying in almost every post. >>>> I will not respond to you for a while, you have become far too nasty in >>>> your discussions here. >>> That's exactly what he wants! >>> If everyone ignored him, he would be free to spread his lies without >>> opposition. >>> The answer is to fight his lies, nastyness and stupidity with the reply it >>> deserves...Ho! <whack>. >> If there's something worth a response, I will respond. If it's nothing >> but silly lies, unevidenced assertions or "atheists are Nazis" nonsense, >> then the whacking will come.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I believe that atheists are exactly like Nazis. That has been my > experience with them. I believe ------------------------------ Ho! <whack> Silly, silly troll.
From: rbwinn on 6 Jul 2008 17:40 On Jul 6, 11:02�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > > My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God. �Bearing false > > witness about me would fall under the category of willful disobedience > > of God. > > In that case you are totally guilty of that exact sin. > > We have already established by your own definitions that you are a > sinful person (onkl Jesus is free of sin you said) , and your lack of > charity excommnunicates you as a Christian. (you wont talk to God on > anyones behalf..) > > I think you are in deep trouble, dude. > > No, I am fine. I say a little prayer every once in a while about atheists. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 6 Jul 2008 17:41
On Jul 6, 11:04�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > Alex W. wrote: > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >news:b9d055c5-7a5b-4534-9703-63f1e75e9648(a)56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > > > Your spirit is made of spirit. �You cannot transplant it. > > > ======= > > > There is always possession .... > > And actually the one thing we do know about spirit, is that is i NOT > limited to an earthly body, so it can move independently of it if it wants. > > So yet one more lie from robbo. The spirit of a human being wants to stay in the body because that is the best place for it until the person dies. Robert B. Winn |