Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: The Natural Philosopher on 6 Jul 2008 14:14 Richard Meredith wrote: > In article <dv3v641nlblt9lrl26j45pnb5v085e8m9o(a)4ax.com>, > lunch(a)nofreelunch.us (Free Lunch) wrote: > >>> Atheists, theists - what's the difference? They're both equally >> dogmatic >>> that what they happen to believe is the one and only version of the >> truth, >>> despite a complete inability to prove it - or even put up a decent >> set of >>> repeatable and verifiable evidence that supports their position. >> What rubbish. Atheists say they don't believe in gods. The lack of >> evidence for gods is sufficient not to believe in them. It is not >> necessary for atheists to prove that gods do not exist to not believe >> in >> them. Do you believe in Thor because you cannot prove he does not >> exist? > > I don't believe in Thor but that doesn't give me any authority to insist > on his nonexistence to someone who does: if someone does, or claims to, > that's their business and none of mine. The atheists who have the marked > similarity to theists are not those who happen not to share the beliefs > of the theists, but are content to let them believe whatever they want to, > but those who get in longwinded, dogmatic and frequently ill-tempered > arguments about who is right, despite neither side having any real > evidence either that they are right or that their opponent is wrong. > Ah, but that is not the reality here. If Robbo would simply say 'I believe, thats my Way.. there is no evdidence, and neither is the propsition refutable, so its not open to rational discussion' we would go away happy. But that's NOT robbos game. He wants to prove the existence of god rationally. It cannot be done, so one feels impelled to indicate to him the error of his LOGIC, not hos faith as such.
From: Steve O on 6 Jul 2008 15:17 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:30fafc0d-9c9c-43e9-90d9-b36a200c34e8(a)m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >> >> Right. So we are all going to hell willy nilly. Why bother with trying >> not to?. >> > You will not like hell. That is what seems odd about atheists. They > can seem like rational beings except in one instance. If you were to > give them a choice between going to Yellowstone national Park or going > to the Winslow, Arizona, city dump, most of them would choose to go to > Yellowstone Park. But if you give them a choice between heaven and > hell, they all say they do not want to go to heaven. Some of them > might object to going to hell, but they all choose to not go to > heaven. > Robert B. Winn You're wrong. No matter how pleasant heaven or Yellowstone Park is, spending the rest of ETERNITY in either place, or anywhere else for that matter, would be the worst form of punishment and torture. You guys always bang on about looking forward to eternity without actually thinking about what that involves. It's ETERNITY for Christ's sake! Mind numbing, endless, inescapable eternity- without even having the relief of suicide to end it all. I couldn't think of any worse torture than spending the rest of eternity in one single place. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Free Lunch on 6 Jul 2008 16:24 On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 16:25 +0100 (BST), richard(a)rmeredith.co.uk (Richard Meredith) wrote in alt.atheism: >In article <dv3v641nlblt9lrl26j45pnb5v085e8m9o(a)4ax.com>, >lunch(a)nofreelunch.us (Free Lunch) wrote: > >> >Atheists, theists - what's the difference? They're both equally >> dogmatic >> >that what they happen to believe is the one and only version of the >> truth, >> >despite a complete inability to prove it - or even put up a decent >> set of >> >repeatable and verifiable evidence that supports their position. >> >> What rubbish. Atheists say they don't believe in gods. The lack of >> evidence for gods is sufficient not to believe in them. It is not >> necessary for atheists to prove that gods do not exist to not believe >> in >> them. Do you believe in Thor because you cannot prove he does not >> exist? > >I don't believe in Thor but that doesn't give me any authority to insist >on his nonexistence to someone who does: if someone does, or claims to, >that's their business and none of mine. The atheists who have the marked >similarity to theists are not those who happen not to share the beliefs >of the theists, but are content to let them believe whatever they want to, >but those who get in longwinded, dogmatic and frequently ill-tempered >arguments about who is right, despite neither side having any real >evidence either that they are right or that their opponent is wrong. Once again, you erroneously equate the lack of evidence that the theists have with the lack of evidence that those who reject the doctrine of the theists. They are not equivalent. In all analysis of whether A exists, it is appropriate and necessary to start with the assumption that A does not exist and find evidence to disprove it. You defend silly claims, the flakier the better, because there is no evidence that the silly claim is false.
From: BuddyThunder on 6 Jul 2008 16:53 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 6, 12:44 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 5, 2:31 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 5, 2:42 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 4, 3:22 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 11:28 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 1:55 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 8:35 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 11:59 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 12:20 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 1:19�pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...(a)trashmail.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in news:22183802-cf28-4305-af11- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7d254b106...(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one being deliberately obtuse. � The existence of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel validates many other things said in the Bible about the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assyrian invasion of Judea. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Hobbit" talks of ale, axes, and forests which we know exist. Does that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> validate Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, trolls, magic rings, walking trees and Tom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bombadil? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enkidu AA#2165 � >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EAC Chaplain and ordained minister, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ULC, Modesto, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't anything socialistic make you want to throw up? Like great public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools, or health insurance for all? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> � � �-Kurt Vonnegut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you decide for yourself? You were the one who thought of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you try to defend your assertions? How can we know we can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trust what you say?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does not matter to me what you trust. You decide what you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to trust. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can't provide any sensible reason to believe your fanciful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claims, then I guess we're done.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fanciful claims? I said that the Jews dug a tunnel as a conduit for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> water between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam. Why do you think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is a fanciful claim? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is not a fanciful claim. You and I both know that I'm referring to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your supernatural claims. Those would be the ones you're completely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unable to support with any evidence.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not made any claims to atheists except that the Jews dug a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel to be used as a conduit for water, and the Assyrians built a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ramp out of dirt to get over the city wall at Lachish. To an atheist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these might seem like supernatural claims because there were actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people working to accomplish both of these tasks instead of just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giving orders, criticism, etc., the way atheists do. Since atheists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been unable to visualize these two events, there is no reason to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proceed on to anything more complex. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then we're in total agreement. A tunnel was dug a long time ago and it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got mentioned in some ancient writings, providing absolutlely no support >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for any supernatural claims. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So why all the posts?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do not seem to be visualizing it very well. The Assyrians came >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into Judea with an army of hundreds of thousands on their way home >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after taking a big chunk of Egypt. Judea was a little dot in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> middle of the Assyrian kingdom, which extended from the Caspian Sea to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egypt. So why was there still a Kingdom of Judea when King >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sennacherib got back to his capitol city of Ninevah? Sennacherib >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> himself says there was on the column he had erected in Ninevah. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or so the story goes.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean so the story goes? The column erected by Sennacherib >>>>>>>>>>>>> in Ninevah is still there today. He plainly says on it that Hezekiah >>>>>>>>>>>>> paid tribute to him, and he was such a nice guy that he just went home >>>>>>>>>>>>> after he got the money. >>>>>>>>>>>> Great. Sennacherib went home and left Jerusalem unsacked. That doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>> mean that it was due to the angel of the lord slaughtering 185,000 >>>>>>>>>>>> troops in a night. >>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you favour the oddly magical Biblical account over Sennacherib's?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> 186,000 troops. Chaldean historians of the same time said that the >>>>>>>>>>> Assyrian army died of plague while besieging Jerusalem, and >>>>>>>>>>> Sennacherib fled in great fear back to his own city of Ninevah. >>>>>>>>>>> Sennacherib made no mention of losing his army on the column he >>>>>>>>>>> erected. He seems to have pretended to his fellow Assyrians that the >>>>>>>>>>> army was still somewhere doing something, but his own two sons >>>>>>>>>>> murdered him, probably because they were upset about him losing the >>>>>>>>>>> army. >>>>>>>>>> So where are God's footprints in all of this? Arguments for both sides >>>>>>>>>> can be made without invoking magic.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Well, from a military standpoint, the Jews had no chance whatsoever >>>>>>>>> against the Assyrians. But when it was all over, it was the Assyrian >>>>>>>>> king who lost everything, including his own life. So I would say, let >>>>>>>>> atheists of today explain it their way, and let Christians explain it >>>>>>>>> their way. The Jews explained it by saying that an angel of the Lord >>>>>>>>> killed 186,000 Assyrian troops. That is a matter of record. It is >>>>>>>>> recorded in three different books of the Old Testament. >>>>>>>> The Old Testament isn't particularly compelling evidence, it suggests >>>>>>>> that there was a global flood and special creation over the course of >>>>>>>> six days. It might be a "matter of record" on some things, but it is >>>>>>>> definitely not on others.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Well, I am sure the Jews feel bad that you do not like the Old >>>>>>> Testament, but it says what it says. It says in three different >>>>>>> books that an angel of the Lord went through the camp of the Assyrians >>>>>>> and slew 186,000 soldiers. >>>>>> It also says that the universe was created a handful of thousands of >>>>>> years ago. The Bible is not reliable.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, as I said before, you atheists believe in relativity of time >>>>> unless you are talking about the earth. Then you insist on absolute >>>>> time. >>>> Instead you make some ridiculous claims about the relativity of time >>>> completely without evidential basis, or... any rational support at all. >>>> The Earth is older than 6500 thousand years old. Much older. I'll go >>>> with the many independent lines of verification on that one.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, that is fine, but why is relativity of time something that >>> exists except when talking about the earth? >> Because Earth isn't travelling at near light speed. I'm no physicist but...- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > So what makes you believe that motion is the only factor that would > affect time? Gee, I dunno. Until you back up your notions, it's hard to know what you're on about. What makes you think that you know better than every mainstream peer-reviewed physicist on the planet?
From: BuddyThunder on 6 Jul 2008 16:56
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 6, 12:50�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> Smiler wrote: >>> "BuddyThunder" <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message >>> news:486fe914$1(a)clear.net.nz... >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 4, 5:19?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:211e4c29-e783-4569-b7f9-b5847f257287(a)l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> On Jul 3, 5:07?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:33:39 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 3:59?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:13:46 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >>>>>>>>> "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>> <871cf3fc-2cb9-42aa-99d8-bc4efed0a...(a)s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>: >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 3:34 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 11:27 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story about animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> humans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denial of the fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fable, just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul said it was. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such silly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just believe what Paul said. ?You seem a little upset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I do not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe your fable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 Tim 4:3 ?For the time will come when they will not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endure sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teachers, having itching ears; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 ? And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and shall be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned unto fables. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> description >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you help me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> substantiate.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you. ?Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where >>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> disease. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pathogens.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to >>>>>>>>>>>>> fables >>>>>>>>>>>>> to explain things. ?So today we see science explaining most >>>>>>>>>>>>> things by >>>>>>>>>>>>> fables. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>> Please explain how "evolution" counts as a fable? ?And we'll show >>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>> how you understanding of evolution is horribly wrong. >>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Well, as Paul pointed out, in the last days men would be unable to >>>>>>>>>>> endure sound doctrine and would devise a fable to try to explain >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> existence of mankind without a God. >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>> That doesn't relate evolution to a fable. >>>>>>>>>> Do you ever answer a question that isn't just from your own >>>>>>>>>> imagination? >>>>>>>>>> Al >>>>>>>>> I do think that Paul was being pretty slick when he predicted that >>>>>>>>> someone would call him on his BS, but that his followers should >>>>>>>>> ignore >>>>>>>>> that he had nothing at all to back up his claims.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>> Well, probably the best one to explain your idea to would be Jesus >>>>>>>> Christ. >>>>>>> As you know, there is no evidence that He exists now and very little >>>>>>> that supports the claim that He once existed.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>> Well, his sheep know his voice. ?Atheists do not. >>>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>>> Jesus loves ewe! >>>>>> Smiler, >>>>>> The godless one >>>>>> a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> I think it is wonderful that you have found something to amuse >>>>> yourself. >>>> It must be sad to not have a sense of humour, as you claimed to never >>>> joke. Life is funny, crack a smile! >>> Have you ever found a fundy with a SOH? >>> They're as rare as hen's teeth. >>> Seems like the religion virus destroys their SOH at the same time it >>> destroys their intelligence. >> I have, but what passes for humour in fundy circles is about as funny as >> Dharma and Greg. Which they would probably object to on religious >> grounds anyway.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, when I was in the V.A. hospital, there was a story about it. > Mental patients would just say a number and everyone would laugh. So > a new patient asked what was going on. Well, it was explained, there > were only so many jokes, so instead of telling them every time, mental > patients had numbered them, and when someone wanted to tell a joke, he > would just say the number, and everyone would laugh. That seemed like > a good idea to the new patient. So a few days later they were having > dinner, and he thought of a particularly funny joke, so he shouted out > the number. > Dead silence. > So he got all embarrassed and when he got back to his room, he asked > his roommate what he had done wrong. > Well, said his roommate, There are just some people who do not know > how to tell a joke. Heh.. That's quite funny. Credit where it's due. |