Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 21 Jul 2008 00:27 On Jul 21, 12:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > >>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a > > >>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. > > >>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. > > >>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. > > >>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... > > >>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was > > >>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. > > >>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in > > >>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. > > >>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. > > >>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were > > >>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the > > >>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it > > >>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not > > >>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? > > >>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He > > >>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that > > >>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you > > >>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - > > >>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well > > >>> documented. > > >> And what's that got to do with atheism? > > > > Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been > > > a Christian by atheists of today. > > > Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to > > atheism? > > > -- > > So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will > never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim > they were. > Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? > Robert B. Winn Yes. Personal responsibility. I'm not Pol Pot, nor am I Joseph Stalin. Nor do they represent normal atheists. If you want to take responsibility for all crimes committed by religious people, feel free. There's plenty butchers in that camp. Al
From: Steve O on 21 Jul 2008 00:54 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:e64f14f5-eaa8-4e16-a376-55bef63ab94e(a)l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > Atheists do not appear to me to have love for anything except money. > I am fairly certain they would not love me even if I tried to conform > to their demands. > Robert B. Winn When have we made any demands, other than asking you to stop being so stupid and offensive? -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jul 2008 02:48 Alex W. wrote: > "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > news:488398e8$1(a)clear.net.nz... >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> So you are saying that the atheistic rulers of China do not try to >>> control the population of China by limiting reproduction to one child >>> per couple? Now we have the same kind of government here in the >>> United States in which the atheistic members of the Supreme Court can >>> begin to limit reproduction in the United States. That is one reason >>> why atheists have begun to promote homosexuality. They see it as a >>> means of limiting and controlling population. >> You're sounding goofy again. > > "again"? If only this imagination could be harnessed for good rather than public loopiness! :-) There's plenty of creativity in evidence.
From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jul 2008 02:54 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a >>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. >>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... >>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was >>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. >>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in >>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. >>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. >>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were >>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the >>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it >>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not >>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? >>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He >>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that >>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you >>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - >>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well >>>>> documented. >>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? >>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been >>> a Christian by atheists of today. >> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to >> atheism? >> >> -- > So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will > never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim > they were. > Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? Hey they were also men, which surely means that all men are muderous dictator types, right? Unless all atheists aren't all bad either?
From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jul 2008 02:57
Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) wrote: > On Jul 21, 12:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was >>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. >>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in >>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. >>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. >>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were >>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the >>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it >>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not >>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? >>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He >>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that >>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you >>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well >>>>>> documented. >>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? >>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been >>>> a Christian by atheists of today. >>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to >>> atheism? >>> -- >> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will >> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim >> they were. >> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? >> Robert B. Winn > > Yes. Personal responsibility. I'm not Pol Pot, nor am I Joseph > Stalin. Nor do they represent normal atheists. > If you want to take responsibility for all crimes committed by > religious people, feel free. There's plenty butchers in that camp. Exactly, I never really understood the smear campaigns. I am only responsible for my own actions, a responsibility I happily accept. I cannot be held responsible for atrocities committed before I was born, no matter how similar the perp's worldview is to mine. I've never killed anyone, and I don't intend to. |