Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 30 Jul 2008 20:27 On Jul 30, 3:27�pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:57:16 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >> It's more than likely that Robbie exists on the fringes of the mental health > >> service, not quite crazy enough to be sectioned and sane enough to live ?in > >> society. > >> There are plenty of people like him. > >> I quite often have to deal with the mentally ill, and it constantly > >> surprises me how ill they have to be before the hospitals will take them in. > > >> -- > >> Steve O > >> a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) > >> B.A.A.W.A. > >> Convicted by Earthquack > >> Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Well, with regard to that, psychiatrists only treat patients who are > >financially profitable to them. �That makes psychiatrists among the > >most useless people on earth, along with lawyers. > > Slyly, Robert tries to change the subject...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - We were talking about psychiatrists. How do you figure the subject was changed? Robert B. Winn
From: DanielSan on 30 Jul 2008 20:37 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 30, 3:13�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 22, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>>>>>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been >>>>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today. >>>>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to >>>>>>>>>>>> atheism? >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will >>>>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim >>>>>>>>>>> they were. >>>>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? >>>>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question >>>>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer: >>>>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the >>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism? >>>>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours >>>>>>>>> are today. >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like >>>>>>>> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the >>>>>>>> point of shooting christians. You really are. >>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an >>>>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist >>>>>>> dictator. >>>>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism? >>>>>> What does atheism have to do with it? >>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator >>>>> was being an atheist. >>>> Why? >>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people. >> And...? >> >>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators. >> Cite? >> > Well, just go ahead and list all of the Communist dictators who were > Christians, Daniel. Thomas Müntzer, for starters. I have more, but I think even one example destroys your guess that religious people are not allowed to be communist dictators. By the way, check out this quote from Étienne Cabet: "Communism is Christianity... it is pure Christianity, before it was corrupted by Catholicism." -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: DanielSan on 30 Jul 2008 20:38 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 30, 3:16�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 22, 10:04 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. >>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some evidence >>>>>> of >>>>>> God as well. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Steve O >>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. If that was not enough for >>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God? >>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all, it's >>>> just an old, old story. >>>> -- >>>> Steve O >>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. � >> No. �Hezekiah's tunnel is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. >> >>> Three >>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of >>> Hezekiah's tunnel. >> So? > > So the Muslims had control of the Pool of Siloam for centuries and had > no idea where the water came from. Hezekiah's tunnel was not > discovered in modern times until British military personnel who had > read the Bible looked for the tunnel and found it exactly where the > Bible said it was. Again, so? -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: Smiler on 30 Jul 2008 20:41 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:80550dcd-44f5-4521-a25e-2b77caf912ad(a)t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... On Jul 21, 7:15?pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 21, 5:48 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 7:28 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > On Jul 21, 12:22 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 20, 2:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 19, 3:21 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 5:32 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> -- > > > > > > > >>> George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next > > > > > > > >>> President of the > > > > > > > >>> United States will be. All major decisions are made by the > > > > > > > >>> atheistic > > > > > > > >>> Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the > > > > > > > >>> position of > > > > > > > >>> Judicial dictatorship in the United States. > > > > > > > >> Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices: > > > > > > > >> Roberts: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Stevens: Protestant > > > > > > > >> Scalia: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Kennedy: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Souter: Episcopalian > > > > > > > >> Thomas: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Breyer: Jewish > > > > > > > >> Alito: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Ginsburg: Jewish > > > > > > > > >> The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United > > > > > > > >> States of > > > > > > > >> America, the federal law of the land. > > > > > > > > >> What were you saying again? > > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > > > During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one > > > > > > > > decision > > > > > > > > that did not promote atheism. It does not matter if they all > > > > > > > > claim to > > > > > > > > be religious. Actions speak louder than words. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you can name me one decision that "promoted atheism". > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Roe v. Wade > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > Roe v Wade was a decision made on the grounds of violation of > > > > > privacy. Not a theological argument anywhere. > > > > > Any more? > > > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > > Roe v. Wade was made on the grounds of atheism. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > You might want to review some court transcripts of the case. ?It was > > > based on a privacy issue. ?Saying otherwise doesn't make it any less > > > true. > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > It had nothing to do with privacy. ?The purpose was to impose European > > legal interpretation on the United States. > > Robert B. Winn > > Go read something not written by your church will you? > And your legal system is based on the English system, which borrows > heavily from other systems. ?Get over it. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > Actually our legal system is based on the Constitution of the United States, much to the surprise of atheists. ===================================== Skippy, your legal system is based on Magna Carta, much to the surprise of ignorant theists like you.
From: rbwinn on 30 Jul 2008 20:49
On Jul 30, 3:40�pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:42:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > >> >> > Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator > >> >> > was being an atheist. > > >> >> Why? > > >> >Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people. > >> >Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators. > > >> ...and to think that Marx himself was Jewish...- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Marx said that he was an atheist. �How is it that now that Communism > >has failed, all of these Communist icons are suddenly religious men? > > Because you read filtered propaganda instead of doing any research > into their backgrounds. Well, I knew that Karl Marx was born to a Jewish family and became an atheist. I knew that Josef Stalin was born into a Russian Orthodox family and became an atheist. Those are just facts. So how do atheists of today hope to change the facts by claiming that these two individuals were religious men? Robert B. Winn |