Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Yap on 24 Aug 2008 21:13 On Aug 24, 3:01 pm, Sam Brown <sambr...(a)bleusky.net> wrote: > Yap wrote: > > On Aug 24, 12:45 pm, Sam Brown <sambr...(a)bleusky.net> wrote: > >> Smiler wrote: > >>> Sorry, but despite your insane delusions and hollow threats, this is the > >>> only life we have. > >>> Unless, of course, you can show us objective evidence that there are such > >>> things as souls, heaven, hell, gods, spirits, angels and ghosts (holy or > >>> otherwise), apart from by quoting from your book of myths, fables, > >>> contradictions and downright lies, the wholly babble. > >> Once again, I'll repeat myself and say that I'm not in any way trying to > >> change your mind about anything. First and foremost, because I know I > >> cannot change your mind. Even you yourself cannot change your own mind. > >> You didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be an atheist. Just as I > >> didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be a Christian. Those choices were > >> made for us. I am certain that you will remain just as you are at this > >> moment for as long as you live. The only point I'm trying to make is you > >> may not believe anything I, or any other Christian, ever tells you in > >> this lifetime. But, there will come a time when you will believe it, and > >> you will bow your knees before the throne of God. And, it's alright with > >> me if you don't believe what we say, because I know that some people > >> have not been elected by God to receive the gift of salvation. It's sad, > >> but it's true. We may not understand why God does things that way (I > >> know I wouldn't), but then, I'm not infinitely wise either. > > Well, in replying to your earlier post, I have already said that you > > are actually not that smart. > > This world is real, we are real and live in a physical environ that we > > can love, feel, touch and have desire. > > Your world in the afterlife is purely something un-imaginable; > > therefore has no meaning on human at all. > > Do you underswtand this? > >> It's like I'm watching a movie, and all the bad guys seem to be winning. > >> But I'm not upset or discouraged, because I know the good guys are going > >> to win out in the end. You see, that's because I read the book. <G> > > Yes, hero does not die....but this is exactly what it is....made up by > > human. > > In actual world, you mean people do not die? > > Your book is exactly what it was...made up by ancient human and yet a > > sad modern person like you bought into it? > > What's wrong with your mind (since you seem much more sensible than > > rbwinn) ? > > All of your questions will be answered; just not now, but in the future. > Be patient. Not any of us will hold our breath. The future is for our next generation who will use their brain to better a world for human....not for sky pixie.
From: Yap on 24 Aug 2008 21:25 On Aug 24, 3:01 pm, Sam Brown <sambr...(a)bleusky.net> wrote: > Steve O wrote: > > > "Sam Brown" <sambr...(a)bleusky.net> wrote in message > >news:LeSdnRQYEv_5ei3VnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d(a)giganews.com... > >> Smiler wrote: > > >>> Sorry, but despite your insane delusions and hollow threats, this is > >>> the only life we have. > >>> Unless, of course, you can show us objective evidence that there are > >>> such things as souls, heaven, hell, gods, spirits, angels and ghosts > >>> (holy or otherwise), apart from by quoting from your book of myths, > >>> fables, contradictions and downright lies, the wholly babble. > > >> Once again, I'll repeat myself and say that I'm not in any way trying to > >> change your mind about anything. First and foremost, because I know I > >> cannot change your mind. Even you yourself cannot change your own mind. > >> You didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be an atheist. Just as I > >> didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be a Christian. Those choices were > >> made for us. I am certain that you will remain just as you are at this > >> moment for as long as you live. The only point I'm trying to make is you > >> may not believe anything I, or any other Christian, ever tells you in > >> this lifetime. But, there will come a time when you will believe it, and > >> you will bow your knees before the throne of God. And, it's alright with > >> me if you don't believe what we say, because I know that some people > >> have not been elected by God to receive the gift of salvation. It's sad, > >> but it's true. We may not understand why God does things that way (I > >> know I wouldn't), but then, I'm not infinitely wise either. > > >> It's like I'm watching a movie, and all the bad guys seem to be winning. > >> But I'm not upset or discouraged, because I know the good guys are going > >> to win out in the end. You see, that's because I read the book. <G> > > > Sam, you seem quite reasonable and tolerant for a Christian. (even if > > you do support the idea or eternal damnation for some, you're still > > quite polite about it) > > You are right- we simply don't believe you when you say that there is a > > God and there is salvation. > > Is there any reason why we should? > > No, there really isn't. And I know why you don't believe in it. > Although, if I were to explain it to you, it would appear as though I > were trying to "preach" to you, and maybe "convert" you. And I know > there's absolutely no point in me trying to do something like that. > So I'm not going to. We both know that would be an utter waste of time. > > > (I'm sure you are advanced enough in this discussion to dismiss Pascal > > as irrelevant) > > Pascal was on the right track. Perhaps if he'd lived a little while > longer he could have corrected his mistakes. But, we'll never know. Sam, I think you are wrong here. I think what we are expecting from you is the reason why you cling onto the ancient fairy tales as real. We are just expecting your reasoning. Just some intellectual discussion, since you are a bit more sensible.
From: rbwinn on 24 Aug 2008 21:31 On Aug 24, 10:25�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:ee397d4e-07a9-4fe3-b2ac-3cd7c55fbe10(a)t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > People in the United States are getting poorer every day. �People in > China are getting poorer every day. �The world economy is failing.. > Didn't you know about that? > > ============ > > You're about as ignorant on matters of finance and the economy as the Bible > .... OK, well we can agree to disagree about the economy. You think things are wonderful. Robert B. winn
From: rbwinn on 24 Aug 2008 21:53 On Aug 24, 5:16�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Aug 23, 5:34?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:3855f9f9-4381-46b0-91cd-be39f4c10dc5(a)m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com.... > >> On Aug 22, 10:59?pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> On Aug 23, 8:00?am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>>> On Aug 22, 11:03 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>>>>news:a7f915bf-c5d9-4a09-b2f6-e875a7c5fac0(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > >>>>>> On Aug 21, 10:51 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > >>>>>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2:28 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Well, I know you do not discuss the theory of relativity. I > >>>>>>>> have seen > >>>>>>>> you discuss religion. > >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>>>>> I've discussed your attempts to call algebra physics, but no-one > >>>>>>> has > >>>>>>> discussed relativity except to use the term. > > >>>>>>> Have you seen me discuss religion? What did I say about it. > > >>>>>>> Al > >>>>>> Well, basically, you say that you think you have something > >>>>>> better, but > >>>>>> when asked about what you have, you say that you have the > >>>>>> ability to oppose religion. So without religion, what do you > >>>>>> have? > >>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>>> No religion? > > >>>> Right. ?You do not seem to have anything of your own. > >>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>> No. > >>> All people can live without religion. > >>> But religious people, like you, may not be able (or unwilling) to > >>> live like ordinary resourceful human. > >>> In other words, we don't need god, but certainly god need people, > >>> right?- Hide quoted text - > > >>> - Show quoted text - > > >> Wrong. > > >> Yes you are, as usual. > >> When the last theist dies, all gods will be consigned to the dustbin > >> of history. > > > The actual quote was, The last politician needs to be hung on the guts > > of the last preacher. �It was said by Guss Hall, leader of the > > American Communist Party. > > As it wasn't a quote (no quote marks), you're wrong as usual. > > Smiler, Well, you are certainly welcome to your own opinion about that. Robert B. Winn
From: Sam Brown on 25 Aug 2008 01:46
Yap wrote: > On Aug 24, 3:01 pm, Sam Brown <sambr...(a)bleusky.net> wrote: >> Steve O wrote: >> >>> "Sam Brown" <sambr...(a)bleusky.net> wrote in message >>> news:LeSdnRQYEv_5ei3VnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> Smiler wrote: >>>>> Sorry, but despite your insane delusions and hollow threats, this is >>>>> the only life we have. >>>>> Unless, of course, you can show us objective evidence that there are >>>>> such things as souls, heaven, hell, gods, spirits, angels and ghosts >>>>> (holy or otherwise), apart from by quoting from your book of myths, >>>>> fables, contradictions and downright lies, the wholly babble. >>>> Once again, I'll repeat myself and say that I'm not in any way trying to >>>> change your mind about anything. First and foremost, because I know I >>>> cannot change your mind. Even you yourself cannot change your own mind. >>>> You didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be an atheist. Just as I >>>> didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be a Christian. Those choices were >>>> made for us. I am certain that you will remain just as you are at this >>>> moment for as long as you live. The only point I'm trying to make is you >>>> may not believe anything I, or any other Christian, ever tells you in >>>> this lifetime. But, there will come a time when you will believe it, and >>>> you will bow your knees before the throne of God. And, it's alright with >>>> me if you don't believe what we say, because I know that some people >>>> have not been elected by God to receive the gift of salvation. It's sad, >>>> but it's true. We may not understand why God does things that way (I >>>> know I wouldn't), but then, I'm not infinitely wise either. >>>> It's like I'm watching a movie, and all the bad guys seem to be winning. >>>> But I'm not upset or discouraged, because I know the good guys are going >>>> to win out in the end. You see, that's because I read the book. <G> >>> Sam, you seem quite reasonable and tolerant for a Christian. (even if >>> you do support the idea or eternal damnation for some, you're still >>> quite polite about it) >>> You are right- we simply don't believe you when you say that there is a >>> God and there is salvation. >>> Is there any reason why we should? >> No, there really isn't. And I know why you don't believe in it. >> Although, if I were to explain it to you, it would appear as though I >> were trying to "preach" to you, and maybe "convert" you. And I know >> there's absolutely no point in me trying to do something like that. >> So I'm not going to. We both know that would be an utter waste of time. >> >>> (I'm sure you are advanced enough in this discussion to dismiss Pascal >>> as irrelevant) >> Pascal was on the right track. Perhaps if he'd lived a little while >> longer he could have corrected his mistakes. But, we'll never know. > > Sam, > I think you are wrong here. > I think what we are expecting from you is the reason why you cling > onto the ancient fairy tales as real. We are just expecting your > reasoning. Just some intellectual discussion, since you are a bit more > sensible. Why? You've just now described it as an "ancient fairy tale". I, on the other hand, do not consider it that way. I believe that's all that needs to be said. |