Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Yap on 23 Aug 2008 09:52 On Aug 23, 9:03 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 22, 10:54 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 9:22 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 22, 2:49 am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 22, 10:09 am, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > Yap wrote: > > > > > > Yes, quite possibly right. > > > > > > I think his reasoning brain cells may have been fried. > > > > > > Only his reasoning ones? > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > The godless one > > > > > a.a.# 2279 > > > > > May be, and rbwinn is not even disputing my assertion. Must be correct. > > > > I never dispute. > > > You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > You have a condition for people to analyze your behavor. > > The people in this world else where never try to curse ourselves into > > disaster like the prophecies in the buybull. > > Your religion is either providing a very evil teaching or is a way for > > those un-educated to milk money. > > Look at some of the African countries whose stupid people bought the > > conversion from the missionaries but yet the whole country is either > > mismanaged or very corrupted to the core; and the people embracing > > your religion without being taught to how to survive. > > So, you believe they can live with religion without food? Sometimes I > > refuse to watch those TV programs like Discovery which showed the > > Africans in dire state of poverty, yet Christians. > > How naive and pathetic these people are!- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > So you think they would be better off if they were atheists in a dire > state of poverty. > Robert b. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - What is the difference if they are bigots or atheists in poverty? You did not catch my meaning ..... what I mean is for all the missionaries present which were used to convert the naives and were not being used to help in the eradication of poverty by provide training, or help in development...etc. The saying goes: " Give a man a fish and he is satisfied for a meal, but teach a man how to fish and he will survive for a life time." In your case, you don't even give a man a fish, you give a man a story book invented by the ancient Jewish con man. How pathetic.
From: Alex W. on 23 Aug 2008 09:52 "Yap" <hhyapster(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:f944c014-f9dd-46ff-ac59-4448ba173af5(a)w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com... On Aug 22, 9:16 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 22, 2:30 am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 21, 9:15 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 20, 11:39 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > You have no basic understanding of subjects like history, > > > > psychology, > > > > philosophy and science. > > > > Your high school standard does not give you enough knowledge to talk > > > > about relativity of time, with respect to the happening in this > > > > world. > > > > You are also trying to equate events in the past to present in order > > > > to defend your Jesus/god thing. > > > > There is no correlation here. > > > > Events happened in the past, unless real and true, had no influence > > > > on > > > > things in present day. > > > > Jesus and the invented term "god" have no meaning in our world now. > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Aug 20, 7:16 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > Your message make a lot of sense. > > > > > > We tend to be clear in our mind whether or not a particular > > > > > > situation > > > > > > is correct or reasonable. > > > > > > But, all the loons in the world behave the same way, they take > > > > > > bible > > > > > > for granted and even if they are suspicious of a particular > > > > > > event, > > > > > > they will not raise any question. > > > > > > Those events described in the bible were not the same as > > > > > > scientific > > > > > > theories or mathematical equations which were based on values > > > > > > and > > > > > > facts. > > > > > > They were presented in the supernatural sense but lackedthe > > > > > > ability to > > > > > > withstand simple scrutiny or reasoning. > > > > > > For all the power attributed to god, he was not projected to > > > > > > exercise > > > > > > his capability to benefit human. What good would the god be? > > > > > > Sad, sad..... > > > > > > Well, here in sci.physics.relativity we talk about relativity of > > > > > time. You atheists and other absolute time disciples look at the > > > > > time > > > > > of today, compare it to what happened yesterday and from that > > > > > conclude > > > > > that nothing different could have ever happened in the history of > > > > > the > > > > > earth. > > > > > People who consider the subject more deeply are aware that time is > > > > > relative, and is not only affected by velocity, as the equations > > > > > of > > > > > modern scientists show. So using your ideas based on absolute > > > > > time, > > > > > you followers of European philosophy conclude that what occured > > > > > today > > > > > must have occurred in every day of the earth's history, and no > > > > > other > > > > > explanation is possible. > > > > > Time measures the number of events that take place in an > > > > > interval. If the interval is one rotation of the earth, who is to > > > > > say > > > > > that eleven billion years of dinosaurs counted by transitions of a > > > > > cesium isotope molecule under present conditions could not have > > > > > occurred in one rotation of the earth? > > > > > You absolute time atheists are all thrilled about relativity of > > > > > time except when it does not suit your purposes. > > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, let's just wait a few years and see how you atheists do since > > > you control everything now. The prophecy is that you will not be able > > > to hold it together and that wars will spread over the entire earth. > > > So let's see what happens. > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > There is no need to wait for a few years. > > We know all the prophecies had not been working in the past, neither > > is this "war" you are looking forward to. > > You will be one to worry about.- Hide quoted text - > > I guess you must have missed noticing that there were two World Wars > in the last century, plus a bunch of undeclared wars that the United > States was involved in. But you atheists think you have achieved > world peace. So let's just wait a little while and see if you have > achieved world peace. > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You will be surprised. This world is full of sensible people, unlike the bigotry US and British imperialist. You are always thinking of bad events to fulfill your buybull prophecies....but with each passing centuries, where do you get to? ======== Hey! We Brits stopped being Imperialist quite some time ago, I'll have you know. These days, we only ever talk down to white colonials like Aussies or Yanks (but not Canadians, they're too polite).
From: Yap on 23 Aug 2008 09:55 On Aug 23, 9:05 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 22, 10:59 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 23, 8:00 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 22, 11:03 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:a7f915bf-c5d9-4a09-b2f6-e875a7c5fac0(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > On Aug 21, 10:51 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > >> On Aug 22, 2:28 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > Well, I know you do not discuss the theory of relativity. I have seen > > > > >> > you discuss religion. > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn > > > > > >> I've discussed your attempts to call algebra physics, but no-one has > > > > >> discussed relativity except to use the term. > > > > > >> Have you seen me discuss religion? What did I say about it. > > > > > >> Al > > > > > Well, basically, you say that you think you have something better, but > > > > > when asked about what you have, you say that you have the ability to > > > > > oppose religion. So without religion, what do you have? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > No religion? > > > > Right. You do not seem to have anything of your own. > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > No. > > All people can live without religion. > > But religious people, like you, may not be able (or unwilling) to live > > like ordinary resourceful human. > > In other words, we don't need god, but certainly god need people, > > right?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Wrong. > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It is not wrong and you know it. If a mind is rid of a god, there will be no ":god" in the mind. If you have to been to a born again church when all the attendee act in trance led by the preacher, you will know what I mean.
From: Yap on 23 Aug 2008 10:03 On Aug 23, 9:08 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 22, 11:17 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 9:11 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 21, 10:56 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > On Aug 22, 2:25 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 21, 8:51 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 21, 3:08 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 9:58 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 21, 1:23 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 7:30 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> Well, I studied post graduate in British university at Manchester city > > > > > > > > > > previously. > > > > > > > > > > There were no European propaganda but most people did not bother to > > > > > > > > > > talk in Christianity, due to the fact that the tales were so obviously > > > > > > > > > > invented. > > > > > > > > > > British loons in most cases got cornered when being questioned about > > > > > > > > > > the inability of their god to do reasonable things. > > > > > > > > > > They evaded and switched subjects, like you did. > > > > > > > > > > I don't evade and switch subjects. The subject is relativity of > > > > > > > > > time. That is what we discuss here in sci.physics.relativity. > > > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > > No. The discussion was started by a Mitch who began discussing the > > > > > > > > subject line in typical retarded fashion. And your first comment was > > > > > > > > not in any way connected to relativity. > > > > > > > > How many times do you need to be corrected on this lie? > > > > > > > > > Al > > > > > > > > So, Al, are you saying that we are not allowed to discuss relativity > > > > > > > of time here in sci.physics.relativity? > > > > > > > No, I did not say that. In no way should that be infered from my > > > > > > comments. Your attempt to say that that is what I've said is a > > > > > > typical representation of your lying and attempts to sway > > > > > > conversations to suggest you are being repressed in some way, which > > > > > > again is typical of both christians and paranoid schitzos. > > > > > > > > How are you going to enforce > > > > > > > your edict? > > > > > > > I'm not, as it's not an edict. I am going to correct you everytime I > > > > > > spot you lying outright about what others or yourself have said.. > > > > > > Well, your claim is that we do not discuss relativity of time in > > > > > sci.physics.relativity. > > > > > No, that is NOT my claim. > > > > Well, what is your claim, Al? I said that we discuss relativity of > > > time in sci.physics.relativity, and you immediately objected to that > > > statement and said that you were not going to allow it. > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > In this forum of alt.atheism, you can discuss many subjects. > > Even when someone wish to talk religion like you get entertained, but > > will be clobbered hard. > > In the case of relativity of time, you don't seem to have the required > > reasoning and have not been explaining clearly your position or the > > equation. > > You said past two year scientists from the sci.physics.relativity were > > pissed off with you. That tells you a lot, right?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, scientists in sci.physics.relativity are making trillions of > dollars in public revenues for research for the equations they have. > They are not going to want some simpler equations from a welder with a > high school education. > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Public revenues are well spent for research which will benefit all people. You, if capable of coming up with a valid equation, will not be of any attention. You don't believe in science, only believe in your god. Why don't you ghet your god to come up with a fascinating equation?
From: rbwinn on 23 Aug 2008 13:42
On Aug 23, 6:44�am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 23, 9:02�pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 10:41 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 22, 9:16 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 22, 2:30 am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 21, 9:15 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 11:39 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > You have no basic understanding of subjects like history, psychology, > > > > > > > philosophy and science. > > > > > > > Your high school standard does not give you enough knowledge to talk > > > > > > > about relativity of time, with respect to the happening in this world. > > > > > > > You are also trying to equate events in the past to present in order > > > > > > > to defend your Jesus/god thing. > > > > > > > There is no correlation here. > > > > > > > Events happened in the past, unless real and true, had no influence on > > > > > > > things in present day. > > > > > > > Jesus and the invented term "god" have no meaning in our world now. > > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 7:16 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > Your message make a lot of sense. > > > > > > > > > We tend to be clear in our mind whether or not a particular situation > > > > > > > > > is correct or reasonable. > > > > > > > > > But, all the loons in the world behave the same way, they take bible > > > > > > > > > for granted and even if they are suspicious of a particular event, > > > > > > > > > they will not raise any question. > > > > > > > > > Those events described in the bible were not the same as scientific > > > > > > > > > theories or mathematical equations which were based on values and > > > > > > > > > facts. > > > > > > > > > They were presented in the supernatural sense but lackedthe ability to > > > > > > > > > withstand simple scrutiny or reasoning. > > > > > > > > > For all the power attributed to god, he was not projected to exercise > > > > > > > > > his capability to benefit human. What good would the god be? > > > > > > > > > Sad, sad..... > > > > > > > > > Well, here in sci.physics.relativity we talk about relativity of > > > > > > > > time. You atheists and other absolute time disciples look at the time > > > > > > > > of today, compare it to what happened yesterday and from that conclude > > > > > > > > that nothing different could have ever happened in the history of the > > > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > People who consider the subject more deeply are aware that time is > > > > > > > > relative, and is not only affected by velocity, as the equations of > > > > > > > > modern scientists show. So using your ideas based on absolute time, > > > > > > > > you followers of European philosophy conclude that what occured today > > > > > > > > must have occurred in every day of the earth's history, and no other > > > > > > > > explanation is possible. > > > > > > > > Time measures the number of events that take place in an > > > > > > > > interval. If the interval is one rotation of the earth, who is to say > > > > > > > > that eleven billion years of dinosaurs counted by transitions of a > > > > > > > > cesium isotope molecule under present conditions could not have > > > > > > > > occurred in one rotation of the earth? > > > > > > > > You absolute time atheists are all thrilled about relativity of > > > > > > > > time except when it does not suit your purposes. > > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Well, let's just wait a few years and see how you atheists do since > > > > > > you control everything now. The prophecy is that you will not be able > > > > > > to hold it together and that wars will spread over the entire earth. > > > > > > So let's see what happens. > > > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > There is no need to wait for a few years. > > > > > We know all the prophecies had not been working in the past, neither > > > > > is this "war" you are looking forward to. > > > > > You will be one to worry about.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > I guess you must have missed noticing that there were two World Wars > > > > in the last century, plus a bunch of undeclared wars that the United > > > > States was involved in. But you atheists think you have achieved > > > > world peace. So let's just wait a little while and see if you have > > > > achieved world peace. > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > You will be surprised. > > > This world is full of sensible people, unlike the bigotry US and > > > British imperialist. > > > You are always thinking of bad events to fulfill your buybull > > > prophecies....but with each passing centuries, where do you get to?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Yes, and Yugoslavia was a model of what socialism could achieve when > > given a chance. > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > You know, all the small countries surrounding Russia could not survive > well due to problem of each. > Their destination rest upon the resourceful of their land and their > people. They are too small to do much. > Now since their independence and democracy, we don't see much progress > as well. In fact, we notice they are more religious, but, that is the > "black hole" when money and resources are put to waste. > You have no idea about things, do you?- Hide quoted text - > Well, all I know is that all the time I was growing up, atheists and socialists pointed to Yugoslavia and said, There is what socialism can do. What a wonderful country. Robert B. Winn |