Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 23 Aug 2008 13:47 On Aug 23, 6:52�am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 23, 9:03�pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 10:54 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 22, 9:22 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 22, 2:49 am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 22, 10:09 am, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Yap wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, quite possibly right. > > > > > > > I think his reasoning brain cells may have been fried. > > > > > > > Only his reasoning ones? > > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > > The godless one > > > > > > a.a.# 2279 > > > > > > May be, and rbwinn is not even disputing my assertion. Must be correct. > > > > > I never dispute. > > > > You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > You have a condition for people to analyze your behavor. > > > The people in this world else where never try to curse ourselves into > > > disaster like the prophecies in the buybull. > > > Your religion is either providing a very evil teaching or is a way for > > > those un-educated to milk money. > > > Look at some of the African countries whose stupid people bought the > > > conversion from the missionaries but yet the whole country is either > > > mismanaged or very corrupted to the core; and the people embracing > > > your religion without being taught to how to survive. > > > So, you believe they can live with religion without food? Sometimes I > > > refuse to watch those TV programs like Discovery which showed the > > > Africans in dire state of poverty, yet Christians. > > > How naive and pathetic these people are!- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > So you think they would be better off if they were atheists in a dire > > state of poverty. > > Robert b. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > What is the difference if they are bigots or atheists in poverty? > You did not catch my meaning ..... what I mean is for all the > missionaries present which were used to convert the naives and were > not being used to help in the eradication of poverty by provide > training, or help in development...etc. > The saying goes: " Give a man a fish and he is satisfied for a meal, > but teach a man how to fish and he will survive for a life time." > In your case, you don't even give a man a fish, you give a man a story > book invented by the ancient Jewish con man. > How pathetic.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, you do not know a whole lot. The church I belong to sends people to Africa to help them drill wells, build buildings, etc. Not everyone just sits around like atheists do. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 23 Aug 2008 13:51 On Aug 23, 7:03�am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 23, 9:08�pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 11:17 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 22, 9:11 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 21, 10:56 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 22, 2:25 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 21, 8:51 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 21, 3:08 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 9:58 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Aug 21, 1:23 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 7:30 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> Well, I studied post graduate in British university at Manchester city > > > > > > > > > > > previously. > > > > > > > > > > > There were no European propaganda but most people did not bother to > > > > > > > > > > > talk in Christianity, due to the fact that the tales were so obviously > > > > > > > > > > > invented. > > > > > > > > > > > British loons in most cases got cornered when being questioned about > > > > > > > > > > > the inability of their god to do reasonable things. > > > > > > > > > > > They evaded and switched subjects, like you did. > > > > > > > > > > > I don't evade and switch subjects. The subject is relativity of > > > > > > > > > > time. That is what we discuss here in sci.physics.relativity. > > > > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > > > No. The discussion was started by a Mitch who began discussing the > > > > > > > > > subject line in typical retarded fashion. And your first comment was > > > > > > > > > not in any way connected to relativity. > > > > > > > > > How many times do you need to be corrected on this lie? > > > > > > > > > > Al > > > > > > > > > So, Al, are you saying that we are not allowed to discuss relativity > > > > > > > > of time here in sci.physics.relativity? > > > > > > > > No, I did not say that. In no way should that be infered from my > > > > > > > comments. Your attempt to say that that is what I've said is a > > > > > > > typical representation of your lying and attempts to sway > > > > > > > conversations to suggest you are being repressed in some way, which > > > > > > > again is typical of both christians and paranoid schitzos. > > > > > > > > > How are you going to enforce > > > > > > > > your edict? > > > > > > > > I'm not, as it's not an edict. I am going to correct you everytime I > > > > > > > spot you lying outright about what others or yourself have said. > > > > > > > Well, your claim is that we do not discuss relativity of time in > > > > > > sci.physics.relativity. > > > > > > No, that is NOT my claim. > > > > > Well, what is your claim, Al? I said that we discuss relativity of > > > > time in sci.physics.relativity, and you immediately objected to that > > > > statement and said that you were not going to allow it. > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > In this forum of alt.atheism, you can discuss many subjects. > > > Even when someone wish to talk religion like you get entertained, but > > > will be clobbered hard. > > > In the case of relativity of time, you don't seem to have the required > > > reasoning and have not been explaining clearly your position or the > > > equation. > > > You said past two year scientists from the sci.physics.relativity were > > > pissed off with you. That tells you a lot, right?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, scientists in sci.physics.relativity are making trillions of > > dollars in public revenues for research for the equations they have. > > They are not going to want some simpler equations from a welder with a > > high school education. > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Public revenues are well spent for research which will benefit all > people. > You, if capable of coming up with a valid equation, will not be of any > attention. > You don't believe in science, only believe in your god. > Why don't you ghet your god to come up with a fascinating equation?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, there was this one. x'=x-vt y'=y z'=z t'=t w= velocity of light x=wt x'=wn' wn'=wt-vt n'=t(1-v/w) Robert B. Winn
From: Steve O on 23 Aug 2008 17:53 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:d549f6e2-bc74-4613-954f-93b0481f40f5(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 23, 6:52�am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Aug 23, 9:03�pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Aug 22, 10:54 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > > On Aug 22, 9:22 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> > > > On Aug 22, 2:49 am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > > > > On Aug 22, 10:09 am, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >> >> > > > > > Yap wrote: >> > > > > > > Yes, quite possibly right. >> > > > > > > I think his reasoning brain cells may have been fried. >> >> > > > > > Only his reasoning ones? >> >> > > > > > Smiler, >> > > > > > The godless one >> > > > > > a.a.# 2279 >> >> > > > > May be, and rbwinn is not even disputing my assertion. Must be >> > > > > correct. >> >> > > > I never dispute. >> > > > You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. >> > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > > You have a condition for people to analyze your behavor. >> > > The people in this world else where never try to curse ourselves into >> > > disaster like the prophecies in the buybull. >> > > Your religion is either providing a very evil teaching or is a way >> > > for >> > > those un-educated to milk money. >> > > Look at some of the African countries whose stupid people bought the >> > > conversion from the missionaries but yet the whole country is either >> > > mismanaged or very corrupted to the core; and the people embracing >> > > your religion without being taught to how to survive. >> > > So, you believe they can live with religion without food? Sometimes I >> > > refuse to watch those TV programs like Discovery which showed the >> > > Africans in dire state of poverty, yet Christians. >> > > How naive and pathetic these people are!- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > So you think they would be better off if they were atheists in a dire >> > state of poverty. >> > Robert b. Winn- Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> What is the difference if they are bigots or atheists in poverty? >> You did not catch my meaning ..... what I mean is for all the >> missionaries present which were used to convert the naives and were >> not being used to help in the eradication of poverty by provide >> training, or help in development...etc. >> The saying goes: " Give a man a fish and he is satisfied for a meal, >> but teach a man how to fish and he will survive for a life time." >> In your case, you don't even give a man a fish, you give a man a story >> book invented by the ancient Jewish con man. >> How pathetic.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, you do not know a whole lot. The church I belong to sends > people to Africa to help them drill wells, build buildings, etc. Not > everyone just sits around like atheists do. > Robert B. Winn Really? And what charities are YOU personally involved in? I don't mean which ones do you give money to- anyone could do that, I mean what charities do YOU personally contribute your time to? -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: rbwinn on 23 Aug 2008 18:27 On Aug 23, 2:53�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:d549f6e2-bc74-4613-954f-93b0481f40f5(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Aug 23, 6:52 am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Aug 23, 9:03 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >> > On Aug 22, 10:54 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > On Aug 22, 9:22 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >> > > > On Aug 22, 2:49 am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > On Aug 22, 10:09 am, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > > Yap wrote: > >> > > > > > > Yes, quite possibly right. > >> > > > > > > I think his reasoning brain cells may have been fried. > > >> > > > > > Only his reasoning ones? > > >> > > > > > Smiler, > >> > > > > > The godless one > >> > > > > > a.a.# 2279 > > >> > > > > May be, and rbwinn is not even disputing my assertion. Must be > >> > > > > correct. > > >> > > > I never dispute. > >> > > > You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. > >> > > > Robert B. Winn > > >> > > You have a condition for people to analyze your behavor. > >> > > The people in this world else where never try to curse ourselves into > >> > > disaster like the prophecies in the buybull. > >> > > Your religion is either providing a very evil teaching or is a way > >> > > for > >> > > those un-educated to milk money. > >> > > Look at some of the African countries whose stupid people bought the > >> > > conversion from the missionaries but yet the whole country is either > >> > > mismanaged or very corrupted to the core; and the people embracing > >> > > your religion without being taught to how to survive. > >> > > So, you believe they can live with religion without food? Sometimes I > >> > > refuse to watch those TV programs like Discovery which showed the > >> > > Africans in dire state of poverty, yet Christians. > >> > > How naive and pathetic these people are!- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > >> > So you think they would be better off if they were atheists in a dire > >> > state of poverty. > >> > Robert b. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > >> What is the difference if they are bigots or atheists in poverty? > >> You did not catch my meaning ..... what I mean is for all the > >> missionaries present which were used to convert the naives and were > >> not being used to help in the eradication of poverty by provide > >> training, or help in development...etc. > >> The saying goes: " Give a man a fish and he is satisfied for a meal, > >> but teach a man how to fish and he will survive for a life time." > >> In your case, you don't even give a man a fish, you give a man a story > >> book invented by the ancient Jewish con man. > >> How pathetic.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, you do not know a whole lot. �The church I belong to sends > > people to Africa to help them drill wells, build buildings, etc. �Not > > everyone just sits around like atheists do. > > Robert B. Winn > > Really? > And what charities are YOU personally involved in? > I don't mean which ones do you give money to- anyone could do that, I mean > what charities do YOU personally contribute your time to? > > -- > Steve O I am assigned church members in my own area to visit. Robert B. winn
From: Yap on 23 Aug 2008 19:46
On Aug 23, 9:52 pm, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > "Yap" <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:f944c014-f9dd-46ff-ac59-4448ba173af5(a)w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 22, 9:16 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 2:30 am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 21, 9:15 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 20, 11:39 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > You have no basic understanding of subjects like history, > > > > > psychology, > > > > > philosophy and science. > > > > > Your high school standard does not give you enough knowledge to talk > > > > > about relativity of time, with respect to the happening in this > > > > > world. > > > > > You are also trying to equate events in the past to present in order > > > > > to defend your Jesus/god thing. > > > > > There is no correlation here. > > > > > Events happened in the past, unless real and true, had no influence > > > > > on > > > > > things in present day. > > > > > Jesus and the invented term "god" have no meaning in our world now. > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 20, 7:16 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > Your message make a lot of sense. > > > > > > > We tend to be clear in our mind whether or not a particular > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > is correct or reasonable. > > > > > > > But, all the loons in the world behave the same way, they take > > > > > > > bible > > > > > > > for granted and even if they are suspicious of a particular > > > > > > > event, > > > > > > > they will not raise any question. > > > > > > > Those events described in the bible were not the same as > > > > > > > scientific > > > > > > > theories or mathematical equations which were based on values > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > facts. > > > > > > > They were presented in the supernatural sense but lackedthe > > > > > > > ability to > > > > > > > withstand simple scrutiny or reasoning. > > > > > > > For all the power attributed to god, he was not projected to > > > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > his capability to benefit human. What good would the god be? > > > > > > > Sad, sad..... > > > > > > > Well, here in sci.physics.relativity we talk about relativity of > > > > > > time. You atheists and other absolute time disciples look at the > > > > > > time > > > > > > of today, compare it to what happened yesterday and from that > > > > > > conclude > > > > > > that nothing different could have ever happened in the history of > > > > > > the > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > People who consider the subject more deeply are aware that time is > > > > > > relative, and is not only affected by velocity, as the equations > > > > > > of > > > > > > modern scientists show. So using your ideas based on absolute > > > > > > time, > > > > > > you followers of European philosophy conclude that what occured > > > > > > today > > > > > > must have occurred in every day of the earth's history, and no > > > > > > other > > > > > > explanation is possible. > > > > > > Time measures the number of events that take place in an > > > > > > interval. If the interval is one rotation of the earth, who is to > > > > > > say > > > > > > that eleven billion years of dinosaurs counted by transitions of a > > > > > > cesium isotope molecule under present conditions could not have > > > > > > occurred in one rotation of the earth? > > > > > > You absolute time atheists are all thrilled about relativity of > > > > > > time except when it does not suit your purposes. > > > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well, let's just wait a few years and see how you atheists do since > > > > you control everything now. The prophecy is that you will not be able > > > > to hold it together and that wars will spread over the entire earth.. > > > > So let's see what happens. > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > There is no need to wait for a few years. > > > We know all the prophecies had not been working in the past, neither > > > is this "war" you are looking forward to. > > > You will be one to worry about.- Hide quoted text - > > > I guess you must have missed noticing that there were two World Wars > > in the last century, plus a bunch of undeclared wars that the United > > States was involved in. But you atheists think you have achieved > > world peace. So let's just wait a little while and see if you have > > achieved world peace. > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > You will be surprised. > This world is full of sensible people, unlike the bigotry US and > British imperialist. > You are always thinking of bad events to fulfill your buybull > prophecies....but with each passing centuries, where do you get to? > > ======== > > Hey! > We Brits stopped being Imperialist quite some time ago, I'll have you know. > These days, we only ever talk down to white colonials like Aussies or Yanks > (but not Canadians, they're too polite).- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Alex, Sorry, I don't mean us and ordinary people. I mean the bigots in power. |