Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 23 Aug 2008 20:47 On Aug 23, 5:34�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:3855f9f9-4381-46b0-91cd-be39f4c10dc5(a)m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 22, 10:59?pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 23, 8:00?am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 22, 11:03 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:a7f915bf-c5d9-4a09-b2f6-e875a7c5fac0(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > On Aug 21, 10:51 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > >> On Aug 22, 2:28 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > Well, I know you do not discuss the theory of relativity. I have > > > > >> > seen > > > > >> > you discuss religion. > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn > > > > > >> I've discussed your attempts to call algebra physics, but no-one > > > > >> has > > > > >> discussed relativity except to use the term. > > > > > >> Have you seen me discuss religion? What did I say about it. > > > > > >> Al > > > > > Well, basically, you say that you think you have something better, > > > > > but > > > > > when asked about what you have, you say that you have the ability to > > > > > oppose religion. So without religion, what do you have? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > No religion? > > > > Right. ?You do not seem to have anything of your own. > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > No. > > All people can live without religion. > > But religious people, like you, may not be able (or unwilling) to live > > like ordinary resourceful human. > > In other words, we don't need god, but certainly god need people, > > right?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Wrong. > > Yes you are, as usual. > When the last theist dies, all gods will be consigned to the dustbin of > history. > The actual quote was, The last politician needs to be hung on the guts of the last preacher. It was said by Guss Hall, leader of the American Communist Party. Robert B. Winn
From: Smiler on 23 Aug 2008 20:49 rbwinn wrote: > On Aug 22, 6:49?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Aug 21, 7:16?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Aug 20, 9:11?pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Wrong. >>>>>> The Nazi party was a past organization trying to elevate the >>>>>> financial status of German people. The Jews were trying to >>>>>> dominate then, like the current Jews in the US. >>>>>> There is no more influence of Roman culture in this world now, >>>>>> let alone Jewish. >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Aug 20, 7:34 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> You are wrong here. >>>>>>>> I know Roman history were taught in school and not Jewish >>>>>>>> history. >> >>>>>>> That is correct. ?So who do you think had the greatest influence >>>>>>> on Europe, the Jews or the Nazi Party? ? The Nazi and Fascist >>>>>>> Parties were patterned after Roman government. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>> For crying out loud, Yap. ?Haven't you ever heard of the Holy >>>>> Roman empire? ?Where do you think it was? >>>>> With regard to the Fascist Party, it was advertised as being Roman >>>>> government. >> >>>> Mussolini's fascist party certainly was a 'Roman' government, as it >>>> governed from Rome and was led by a Roman Catholic. >> >>> Well, it was patterned after ancient Roman government, which was a >>> pagan government. >> >> I suggest that you take that up with Julius Caesar. >> > Why would you suggest that? Why would you suggest that I take things up with the non-existent character called jesus? Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 23 Aug 2008 20:52 Steve O wrote: > "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote in message > news:D0Krk.306873$7f3.22242(a)newsfe23.ams2... >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Aug 21, 7:16?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Aug 20, 9:11?pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Wrong. >>>>>> The Nazi party was a past organization trying to elevate the >>>>>> financial status of German people. The Jews were trying to >>>>>> dominate then, like the current Jews in the US. >>>>>> There is no more influence of Roman culture in this world now, >>>>>> let alone Jewish. >>>> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Aug 20, 7:34 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> You are wrong here. >>>>>>>> I know Roman history were taught in school and not Jewish >>>>>>>> history. >>>> >>>>>>> That is correct. ?So who do you think had the greatest influence >>>>>>> on Europe, the Jews or the Nazi Party? ? The Nazi and Fascist >>>>>>> Parties were patterned after Roman government. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >>>> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> >>>>> For crying out loud, Yap. ?Haven't you ever heard of the Holy >>>>> Roman empire? ?Where do you think it was? >>>>> With regard to the Fascist Party, it was advertised as being Roman >>>>> government. >>>> >>>> Mussolini's fascist party certainly was a 'Roman' government, as it >>>> governed from Rome and was led by a Roman Catholic. >>>> >>> Well, it was patterned after ancient Roman government, which was a >>> pagan government. >> >> I suggest that you take that up with Julius Caesar. > > When he sees him. With his mental problems, that may be quite soon. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: rbwinn on 23 Aug 2008 22:15 On Aug 23, 5:47�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Aug 23, 2:53?pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:d549f6e2-bc74-4613-954f-93b0481f40f5(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com.... > > >>> On Aug 23, 6:52 am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> On Aug 23, 9:03 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>>>> On Aug 22, 10:54 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>> On Aug 22, 9:22 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2:49 am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 10:09 am, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> Yap wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Yes, quite possibly right. > >>>>>>>>>> I think his reasoning brain cells may have been fried. > > >>>>>>>>> Only his reasoning ones? > > >>>>>>>>> Smiler, > >>>>>>>>> The godless one > >>>>>>>>> a.a.# 2279 > > >>>>>>>> May be, and rbwinn is not even disputing my assertion. Must be > >>>>>>>> correct. > > >>>>>>> I never dispute. > >>>>>>> You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>>>> You have a condition for people to analyze your behavor. > >>>>>> The people in this world else where never try to curse ourselves > >>>>>> into disaster like the prophecies in the buybull. > >>>>>> Your religion is either providing a very evil teaching or is a > >>>>>> way for > >>>>>> those un-educated to milk money. > >>>>>> Look at some of the African countries whose stupid people bought > >>>>>> the conversion from the missionaries but yet the whole country > >>>>>> is either mismanaged or very corrupted to the core; and the > >>>>>> people embracing your religion without being taught to how to > >>>>>> survive. > >>>>>> So, you believe they can live with religion without food? > >>>>>> Sometimes I refuse to watch those TV programs like Discovery > >>>>>> which showed the Africans in dire state of poverty, yet > >>>>>> Christians. > >>>>>> How naive and pathetic these people are!- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>> So you think they would be better off if they were atheists in a > >>>>> dire state of poverty. > >>>>> Robert b. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>> What is the difference if they are bigots or atheists in poverty? > >>>> You did not catch my meaning ..... what I mean is for all the > >>>> missionaries present which were used to convert the naives and were > >>>> not being used to help in the eradication of poverty by provide > >>>> training, or help in development...etc. > >>>> The saying goes: " Give a man a fish and he is satisfied for a > >>>> meal, but teach a man how to fish and he will survive for a life > >>>> time." > >>>> In your case, you don't even give a man a fish, you give a man a > >>>> story book invented by the ancient Jewish con man. > >>>> How pathetic.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>> Well, you do not know a whole lot. ?The church I belong to sends > >>> people to Africa to help them drill wells, build buildings, etc. > >>> ?Not everyone just sits around like atheists do. > >>> Robert B. Winn > > >> Really? > >> And what charities are YOU personally involved in? > >> I don't mean which ones do you give money to- anyone could do that, > >> I mean what charities do YOU personally contribute your time to? > > >> -- > >> Steve O > > > I am assigned church members in my own area to visit. > > House prices in your area have hit rock bottom? > People moving away in droves and can't get purchasers or tenants? > Mystery outbreak of suicides amongst Mormons in your area? > No suicides. Robert B. Winn
From: Sam Brown on 24 Aug 2008 00:45
Smiler wrote: > Sorry, but despite your insane delusions and hollow threats, this is the > only life we have. > Unless, of course, you can show us objective evidence that there are such > things as souls, heaven, hell, gods, spirits, angels and ghosts (holy or > otherwise), apart from by quoting from your book of myths, fables, > contradictions and downright lies, the wholly babble. Once again, I'll repeat myself and say that I'm not in any way trying to change your mind about anything. First and foremost, because I know I cannot change your mind. Even you yourself cannot change your own mind. You didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be an atheist. Just as I didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be a Christian. Those choices were made for us. I am certain that you will remain just as you are at this moment for as long as you live. The only point I'm trying to make is you may not believe anything I, or any other Christian, ever tells you in this lifetime. But, there will come a time when you will believe it, and you will bow your knees before the throne of God. And, it's alright with me if you don't believe what we say, because I know that some people have not been elected by God to receive the gift of salvation. It's sad, but it's true. We may not understand why God does things that way (I know I wouldn't), but then, I'm not infinitely wise either. It's like I'm watching a movie, and all the bad guys seem to be winning. But I'm not upset or discouraged, because I know the good guys are going to win out in the end. You see, that's because I read the book. <G> |