Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Steve O on 24 Aug 2008 00:56 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:85c52b6b-0f0a-4ee2-824e-8f71706ec0de(a)t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 23, 2:53�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:d549f6e2-bc74-4613-954f-93b0481f40f5(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Aug 23, 6:52 am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Aug 23, 9:03 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> > On Aug 22, 10:54 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > > On Aug 22, 9:22 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> > > > On Aug 22, 2:49 am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > > > > On Aug 22, 10:09 am, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > Yap wrote: >> >> > > > > > > Yes, quite possibly right. >> >> > > > > > > I think his reasoning brain cells may have been fried. >> >> >> > > > > > Only his reasoning ones? >> >> >> > > > > > Smiler, >> >> > > > > > The godless one >> >> > > > > > a.a.# 2279 >> >> >> > > > > May be, and rbwinn is not even disputing my assertion. Must be >> >> > > > > correct. >> >> >> > > > I never dispute. >> >> > > > You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. >> >> > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> > > You have a condition for people to analyze your behavor. >> >> > > The people in this world else where never try to curse ourselves >> >> > > into >> >> > > disaster like the prophecies in the buybull. >> >> > > Your religion is either providing a very evil teaching or is a way >> >> > > for >> >> > > those un-educated to milk money. >> >> > > Look at some of the African countries whose stupid people bought >> >> > > the >> >> > > conversion from the missionaries but yet the whole country is >> >> > > either >> >> > > mismanaged or very corrupted to the core; and the people embracing >> >> > > your religion without being taught to how to survive. >> >> > > So, you believe they can live with religion without food? >> >> > > Sometimes I >> >> > > refuse to watch those TV programs like Discovery which showed the >> >> > > Africans in dire state of poverty, yet Christians. >> >> > > How naive and pathetic these people are!- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > So you think they would be better off if they were atheists in a >> >> > dire >> >> > state of poverty. >> >> > Robert b. Winn- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> What is the difference if they are bigots or atheists in poverty? >> >> You did not catch my meaning ..... what I mean is for all the >> >> missionaries present which were used to convert the naives and were >> >> not being used to help in the eradication of poverty by provide >> >> training, or help in development...etc. >> >> The saying goes: " Give a man a fish and he is satisfied for a meal, >> >> but teach a man how to fish and he will survive for a life time." >> >> In your case, you don't even give a man a fish, you give a man a story >> >> book invented by the ancient Jewish con man. >> >> How pathetic.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > Well, you do not know a whole lot. �The church I belong to sends >> > people to Africa to help them drill wells, build buildings, etc. �Not >> > everyone just sits around like atheists do. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Really? >> And what charities are YOU personally involved in? >> I don't mean which ones do you give money to- anyone could do that, I >> mean >> what charities do YOU personally contribute your time to? >> >> -- >> Steve O > > I am assigned church members in my own area to visit. > Robert B. winn So what makes you think that atheists sit around doing nothing? -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Steve O on 24 Aug 2008 01:07 "Sam Brown" <sambrown(a)bleusky.net> wrote in message news:LeSdnRQYEv_5ei3VnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Smiler wrote: > >> Sorry, but despite your insane delusions and hollow threats, this is the >> only life we have. >> Unless, of course, you can show us objective evidence that there are such >> things as souls, heaven, hell, gods, spirits, angels and ghosts (holy or >> otherwise), apart from by quoting from your book of myths, fables, >> contradictions and downright lies, the wholly babble. > > Once again, I'll repeat myself and say that I'm not in any way trying to > change your mind about anything. First and foremost, because I know I > cannot change your mind. Even you yourself cannot change your own mind. > You didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be an atheist. Just as I > didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be a Christian. Those choices were > made for us. I am certain that you will remain just as you are at this > moment for as long as you live. The only point I'm trying to make is you > may not believe anything I, or any other Christian, ever tells you in > this lifetime. But, there will come a time when you will believe it, and > you will bow your knees before the throne of God. And, it's alright with > me if you don't believe what we say, because I know that some people > have not been elected by God to receive the gift of salvation. It's sad, > but it's true. We may not understand why God does things that way (I > know I wouldn't), but then, I'm not infinitely wise either. > > It's like I'm watching a movie, and all the bad guys seem to be winning. > But I'm not upset or discouraged, because I know the good guys are going > to win out in the end. You see, that's because I read the book. <G> Sam, you seem quite reasonable and tolerant for a Christian. (even if you do support the idea or eternal damnation for some, you're still quite polite about it) You are right- we simply don't believe you when you say that there is a God and there is salvation. Is there any reason why we should? (I'm sure you are advanced enough in this discussion to dismiss Pascal as irrelevant) -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Yap on 24 Aug 2008 02:10 On Aug 24, 6:27 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 23, 2:53 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:d549f6e2-bc74-4613-954f-93b0481f40f5(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com.... > > > > On Aug 23, 6:52 am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On Aug 23, 9:03 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > >> > On Aug 22, 10:54 pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > > On Aug 22, 9:22 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > On Aug 22, 2:49 am, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > > On Aug 22, 10:09 am, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > Yap wrote: > > >> > > > > > > Yes, quite possibly right. > > >> > > > > > > I think his reasoning brain cells may have been fried. > > > >> > > > > > Only his reasoning ones? > > > >> > > > > > Smiler, > > >> > > > > > The godless one > > >> > > > > > a.a.# 2279 > > > >> > > > > May be, and rbwinn is not even disputing my assertion. Must be > > >> > > > > correct. > > > >> > > > I never dispute. > > >> > > > You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. > > >> > > > Robert B. Winn > > > >> > > You have a condition for people to analyze your behavor. > > >> > > The people in this world else where never try to curse ourselves into > > >> > > disaster like the prophecies in the buybull. > > >> > > Your religion is either providing a very evil teaching or is a way > > >> > > for > > >> > > those un-educated to milk money. > > >> > > Look at some of the African countries whose stupid people bought the > > >> > > conversion from the missionaries but yet the whole country is either > > >> > > mismanaged or very corrupted to the core; and the people embracing > > >> > > your religion without being taught to how to survive. > > >> > > So, you believe they can live with religion without food? Sometimes I > > >> > > refuse to watch those TV programs like Discovery which showed the > > >> > > Africans in dire state of poverty, yet Christians. > > >> > > How naive and pathetic these people are!- Hide quoted text - > > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > >> > So you think they would be better off if they were atheists in a dire > > >> > state of poverty. > > >> > Robert b. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > >> What is the difference if they are bigots or atheists in poverty? > > >> You did not catch my meaning ..... what I mean is for all the > > >> missionaries present which were used to convert the naives and were > > >> not being used to help in the eradication of poverty by provide > > >> training, or help in development...etc. > > >> The saying goes: " Give a man a fish and he is satisfied for a meal, > > >> but teach a man how to fish and he will survive for a life time." > > >> In your case, you don't even give a man a fish, you give a man a story > > >> book invented by the ancient Jewish con man. > > >> How pathetic.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, you do not know a whole lot. The church I belong to sends > > > people to Africa to help them drill wells, build buildings, etc. Not > > > everyone just sits around like atheists do. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Really? > > And what charities are YOU personally involved in? > > I don't mean which ones do you give money to- anyone could do that, I mean > > what charities do YOU personally contribute your time to? > > > -- > > Steve O > > I am assigned church members in my own area to visit. > Robert B. winn- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - This is no what we expect you to answer. You mean you never do any meaningful charity?
From: Yap on 24 Aug 2008 02:34 On Aug 24, 12:45 pm, Sam Brown <sambr...(a)bleusky.net> wrote: > Smiler wrote: > > Sorry, but despite your insane delusions and hollow threats, this is the > > only life we have. > > Unless, of course, you can show us objective evidence that there are such > > things as souls, heaven, hell, gods, spirits, angels and ghosts (holy or > > otherwise), apart from by quoting from your book of myths, fables, > > contradictions and downright lies, the wholly babble. > > Once again, I'll repeat myself and say that I'm not in any way trying to > change your mind about anything. First and foremost, because I know I > cannot change your mind. Even you yourself cannot change your own mind. > You didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be an atheist. Just as I > didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be a Christian. Those choices were > made for us. I am certain that you will remain just as you are at this > moment for as long as you live. The only point I'm trying to make is you > may not believe anything I, or any other Christian, ever tells you in > this lifetime. But, there will come a time when you will believe it, and > you will bow your knees before the throne of God. And, it's alright with > me if you don't believe what we say, because I know that some people > have not been elected by God to receive the gift of salvation. It's sad, > but it's true. We may not understand why God does things that way (I > know I wouldn't), but then, I'm not infinitely wise either. Well, in replying to your earlier post, I have already said that you are actually not that smart. This world is real, we are real and live in a physical environ that we can love, feel, touch and have desire. Your world in the afterlife is purely something un-imaginable; therefore has no meaning on human at all. Do you underswtand this? > > It's like I'm watching a movie, and all the bad guys seem to be winning. > But I'm not upset or discouraged, because I know the good guys are going > to win out in the end. You see, that's because I read the book. <G> Yes, hero does not die....but this is exactly what it is....made up by human. In actual world, you mean people do not die? Your book is exactly what it was...made up by ancient human and yet a sad modern person like you bought into it? What's wrong with your mind (since you seem much more sensible than rbwinn) ?
From: Sam Brown on 24 Aug 2008 03:01
Yap wrote: > On Aug 24, 12:45 pm, Sam Brown <sambr...(a)bleusky.net> wrote: >> Smiler wrote: >>> Sorry, but despite your insane delusions and hollow threats, this is the >>> only life we have. >>> Unless, of course, you can show us objective evidence that there are such >>> things as souls, heaven, hell, gods, spirits, angels and ghosts (holy or >>> otherwise), apart from by quoting from your book of myths, fables, >>> contradictions and downright lies, the wholly babble. >> Once again, I'll repeat myself and say that I'm not in any way trying to >> change your mind about anything. First and foremost, because I know I >> cannot change your mind. Even you yourself cannot change your own mind. >> You didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be an atheist. Just as I >> didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be a Christian. Those choices were >> made for us. I am certain that you will remain just as you are at this >> moment for as long as you live. The only point I'm trying to make is you >> may not believe anything I, or any other Christian, ever tells you in >> this lifetime. But, there will come a time when you will believe it, and >> you will bow your knees before the throne of God. And, it's alright with >> me if you don't believe what we say, because I know that some people >> have not been elected by God to receive the gift of salvation. It's sad, >> but it's true. We may not understand why God does things that way (I >> know I wouldn't), but then, I'm not infinitely wise either. > Well, in replying to your earlier post, I have already said that you > are actually not that smart. > This world is real, we are real and live in a physical environ that we > can love, feel, touch and have desire. > Your world in the afterlife is purely something un-imaginable; > therefore has no meaning on human at all. > Do you underswtand this? >> It's like I'm watching a movie, and all the bad guys seem to be winning. >> But I'm not upset or discouraged, because I know the good guys are going >> to win out in the end. You see, that's because I read the book. <G> > Yes, hero does not die....but this is exactly what it is....made up by > human. > In actual world, you mean people do not die? > Your book is exactly what it was...made up by ancient human and yet a > sad modern person like you bought into it? > What's wrong with your mind (since you seem much more sensible than > rbwinn) ? > All of your questions will be answered; just not now, but in the future. Be patient. |