Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Sam Brown on 24 Aug 2008 03:01 Steve O wrote: > > > "Sam Brown" <sambrown(a)bleusky.net> wrote in message > news:LeSdnRQYEv_5ei3VnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> Smiler wrote: >> >>> Sorry, but despite your insane delusions and hollow threats, this is >>> the only life we have. >>> Unless, of course, you can show us objective evidence that there are >>> such things as souls, heaven, hell, gods, spirits, angels and ghosts >>> (holy or otherwise), apart from by quoting from your book of myths, >>> fables, contradictions and downright lies, the wholly babble. >> >> Once again, I'll repeat myself and say that I'm not in any way trying to >> change your mind about anything. First and foremost, because I know I >> cannot change your mind. Even you yourself cannot change your own mind. >> You didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be an atheist. Just as I >> didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be a Christian. Those choices were >> made for us. I am certain that you will remain just as you are at this >> moment for as long as you live. The only point I'm trying to make is you >> may not believe anything I, or any other Christian, ever tells you in >> this lifetime. But, there will come a time when you will believe it, and >> you will bow your knees before the throne of God. And, it's alright with >> me if you don't believe what we say, because I know that some people >> have not been elected by God to receive the gift of salvation. It's sad, >> but it's true. We may not understand why God does things that way (I >> know I wouldn't), but then, I'm not infinitely wise either. >> >> It's like I'm watching a movie, and all the bad guys seem to be winning. >> But I'm not upset or discouraged, because I know the good guys are going >> to win out in the end. You see, that's because I read the book. <G> > > Sam, you seem quite reasonable and tolerant for a Christian. (even if > you do support the idea or eternal damnation for some, you're still > quite polite about it) > You are right- we simply don't believe you when you say that there is a > God and there is salvation. > Is there any reason why we should? No, there really isn't. And I know why you don't believe in it. Although, if I were to explain it to you, it would appear as though I were trying to "preach" to you, and maybe "convert" you. And I know there's absolutely no point in me trying to do something like that. So I'm not going to. We both know that would be an utter waste of time. > (I'm sure you are advanced enough in this discussion to dismiss Pascal > as irrelevant) > Pascal was on the right track. Perhaps if he'd lived a little while longer he could have corrected his mistakes. But, we'll never know.
From: rbwinn on 24 Aug 2008 05:18 On Aug 23, 11:34�pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 24, 12:45�pm, Sam Brown <sambr...(a)bleusky.net> wrote: > > > > > Smiler wrote: > > > Sorry, but despite your insane delusions and hollow threats, this is the > > > only life we have. > > > Unless, of course, you can show us objective evidence that there are such > > > things as souls, heaven, hell, gods, spirits, angels and ghosts (holy or > > > otherwise), apart from by quoting from your book of myths, fables, > > > contradictions and downright lies, the wholly babble. > > > Once again, I'll repeat myself and say that I'm not in any way trying to > > change your mind about anything. First and foremost, because I know I > > cannot change your mind. Even you yourself cannot change your own mind. > > You didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be an atheist. Just as I > > didn't actually choose arbitrarily to be a Christian. Those choices were > > made for us. I am certain that you will remain just as you are at this > > moment for as long as you live. The only point I'm trying to make is you > > may not believe anything I, or any other Christian, ever tells you in > > this lifetime. But, there will come a time when you will believe it, and > > you will bow your knees before the throne of God. And, it's alright with > > me if you don't believe what we say, because I know that some people > > have not been elected by God to receive the gift of salvation. It's sad, > > but it's true. We may not understand why God does things that way (I > > know I wouldn't), but then, I'm not infinitely wise either. > > Well, in replying to your earlier post, I have already said that you > are actually not that smart. > This world is real, we are real and live in a physical environ that we > can love, feel, touch and have desire. > Your world in the afterlife is purely something un-imaginable; > therefore has no meaning on human at all. > Do you underswtand this? > > > It's like I'm watching a movie, and all the bad guys seem to be winning.. > > But I'm not upset or discouraged, because I know the good guys are going > > to win out in the end. You see, that's because I read the book. <G> > > Yes, hero does not die....but this is exactly what it is....made up by > human. > In actual world, you mean people do not die? > Your book is exactly what it was...made up by ancient human and yet a > sad modern person like you bought into it? > What's wrong with your mind (since you seem much more sensible than > rbwinn) ?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I tend to think in terms of equations. Your atheistic system is failing rapidly. You can't get the things done that need to be done. Robert B. Winn
From: Alex W. on 24 Aug 2008 07:44 "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote in message news:IJ1sk.86054$lO6.54608(a)newsfe20.ams2... > > "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > news:6ha076Fk2k6hU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote in message >> news:PSJrk.306871$7f3.48877(a)newsfe23.ams2... >>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> On Aug 21, 6:57?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> On Aug 20, 7:41?pm, Yap <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Some important points: >>>>>>> 1). You know revelations are nonsense and had never been correct. >>>>>>> 2). Why would a temple be so difficult to build? >>>>> >>>>>> There is a Muslim mosque called the Dome of the Rock located on the >>>>>> temple site. >>>>> >>>>> Are there any other sorts of Mosque? >>>> >>>> Why do you ask? >>> >>> Because I've never heard of a mosque that wasn't Muslim. >> >> Mosque-ow? >> >> Mosque-rat? >> > > Mosque-eat-toes? > Mosque-iller (for the lawn)? > Deer mosque.
From: Alex W. on 24 Aug 2008 13:25 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:ee397d4e-07a9-4fe3-b2ac-3cd7c55fbe10(a)t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... People in the United States are getting poorer every day. People in China are getting poorer every day. The world economy is failing. Didn't you know about that? ============ You're about as ignorant on matters of finance and the economy as the Bible .....
From: G=EMC^2 Glazier on 24 Aug 2008 13:24
Our father given his full name is Godfather. He controls America. Uses many aliases. Severn Trent is one. He owns the utilities and that gives him control over life and death. He is more than our Big Brother. He is our father. Right now we pray to him for out water and power Tomorrow we will pray to him for our daily bread Bert |